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Posted on 11-20-15 9:31 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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if politicians pleases tharus's demand somehow here and there nepal is an integrated country forever if they ignore and let them join madeshi's indian hegemony cause nepal is doomed. so surprising that politician haven't acknowledge and acted upon this simple math. what do you think?
 
Posted on 11-20-15 1:55 PM     [Snapshot: 124]     Reply [Subscribe]
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First please elaborate clearly the demands of tharus? And secondly what do you mean by "indian hegemony cause"?
I will give you my thoughts once I fully understand your point.
 
Posted on 11-21-15 4:20 AM     [Snapshot: 234]     Reply [Subscribe]
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1. current borders of states are drawn only to reflect all 3 parties neta's self interest rather than with any base or science to it. they got akhanda sudur, chitwan, morang jhapa etc. madhesi, tharu leaders would have done same and trying hard now same tactic so that they've more chance to be elected.

2. Madhesh was almost gone out of nepal's hand already during 2063/64 madhesi andolan. It was tharus who didn't participate ( they had their own) and denounce calling themselves madhesi. m.j . forum concept was born organized and finance in india by indian embassy, was sole reason perpetrator of andolan at that time. Had tharus joined in hands with indian plan, probably we wouldn't be saying tarai madesh right now.

3. currently state no 2 is is the only state where 90% madehis live cohesively so at least their own rule is guaranteed ( and they're still complaining) whereas tharu's state mixed with pahad. hence chances tharus would rule themselves is not sure. tharus should have been rewarded based on their previous stance which proves their strong affiliation with nepal, not danger like madesh pradesh plus tharus are the most marginalized people in nepali history in every sector- also basis they now should have their own rule to draw their own destiny. they were the real border army of nepal. yes madeshi could be the same but not convince 100% what coming out from their mouth and what i see on social media. they are acting like we force them or have to acknowledge that they are also nepali whereas they could have said we are nepali first and never needed any affirmation from anybody.

4. tharus demand is borders mainly. If nobody had gotten their own peoples border, understandable, but on what basis these tauke netas simplified the states? this is why u need expert to write , not politician netas whose motto's just looking for reelections not the benefit of whole as a country. and tharus are not asking all the way to border, they want at least kailali if not all possible. kanchanpur and kailali has 4 lakh tharus also in chitwan significantly but they're cut off here and there like stripped wounded warrior.

5. even a stupid can tell india is running this madeshi andolan. Their main demand now is borders and citizenship. borders are for control of waters - simple. naturalized citizen argument didn't sound good, now they're saying - the guarantee that madeshi marrying indian daugher-in-law would get immediate naturalized citizenship should be written in constitution, why?after one part is guaranteed , their plan is to internationalize that - constitution discriminates against nepali daughter in loud in future paving the way son-in-laws and his family would also get immediate citizenship. The fact all nepali daughters are some how discriminated is because of few selfish madesis themselves. few people knows this. original was , to have wait 7 years for both and should have stayed like that but madeshis demanded, compromised son-in-law has to wait 15 years in favor of daughter-in-law getting the immediate one. And our mahila and sangathan are dumb still blaming patriarchal overall nepali society when it was only selfish madeshi's genda caused this. just to make them happy our leaders said ok.  

6. helping tharus to build their own state seals at least 70% our border even greater if given in east side too. holding their will be fatal, it is wise not to let them so easily mix with indian plans otherwise this andolan will be big and unruly but it seems like these sudur people shouting akhanda akhanda. what akhand? when country will not be akhanda. anymore ? ridiculous !

So again india coming with these brilliant plan would ruin the county if we are not careful. their purpose is to make nepal a fail state. after clever nakabandi, indian hegemony and their accomplices to fulfill the cause are very clear. no need to go further . I would even say those nepali leaders are also accomplices who agreed time and time to distribute citizenship in southern border with mere 3 witnesses, No country has this cheap ever in history period!!


 
Posted on 11-21-15 12:48 PM     [Snapshot: 344]     Reply [Subscribe]
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The new federal map of Nepal is good but not perfect. We didn't have to mix tharus (state 5) beyond the mahabharat range. But the fact that 5 different states have access to southern border seems thoughful.

I personally would have liked the country to have been divided in states from North to South. Map out states vertically so that southern and northern borders are accessible to each and every state. This makes sense to a country like Nepal whose shape is linear with not a very large width. This would have also mixed nepalese from different ethnicities in each state. What could have been better than this to unite everyone and spread communial harmony?

But the politicans decided to divide the country along ethnic lines. God knows why.

 
Posted on 11-22-15 6:20 AM     [Snapshot: 433]     Reply [Subscribe]
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But the fact that 5 different states have access to southern border seems thoughful.

-true but what significance of this when your southern India acts like a big boss not as good neighbor? they want us as failed state all the time, doesn't matter who is ruling india at time. so now after this nakabandi which is 3rd is an affirmation, i really don't see the point.

Map out states vertically so that southern and northern borders are accessible to each and every state.
-- true but federalism was not necessary at all and nobody asked for it except madhesis, i would give 75 district with directly elected council and it's limited members to run , this would solve a lot of problem like ethnicity, language, locality and akhanda territory etc.
if they had to - declare 5 development area by mahendra as states at least nobody could say they're partial but their egoistic ball hindered on the way, common sense was thrown out as go to hell the whole country. questions arises if madeshi have their own why not tharus?  why madeshis have special marriage citizenship right that affects whole country when they represent only 25-30%? and ugliest part is they are not still satisfied until we become like, talk like - indians - that's what looks like so far. and their regional leaders are all indian agents.

give tharus power/help/support, if they are forced to join hidden indian agenda that would be the biggest mistake in history and say bye bye to your akhanda sudur  ass whatever the hangover u r on currently , will be poof in future. don't be stingy on ethnic group who showed loyalty to remain  in nepal time again and again than conditional and aggressive madhesis  with  no strong affiliation (mere 2047 clause hence forth) ,   that's all i'm saying.

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Posted on 11-22-15 10:19 AM     [Snapshot: 492]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I totally agree with @controversial, I have pasted same kind of conclusion from Nepal's intellectuals posted on Nepalnews.com,
संघीयताको स्थगन
अहिले देशको उत्पन्न समस्याहरुको जड भनेको नयाँ संविधानमा व्यवस्था गरिएको संघीयता नै हो । पहिलो कुरा, संघीयता कहिल्यै पनि यो देशका जनताको माग होइन र दुई ठूला पार्टीहरु कांग्रेस र एमालेले पनि बाध्यात्मक रुपमा संघीयता स्वीकार गरेका हुन् ।
दोस्रो कुरा, कुनै पनि प्रजातान्त्रिक व्यवस्थामा राज्य पुनर्संरचना सम्वन्धि विषयवस्तुमा जनमतसंग्रहबाट निर्णय लिनु वाञ्छनीय हुन्छ । संविधान जारी हुनुअघि गरिएको जनमत संकलनमा जनताले संघीयताको विरोधमा अभिमत प्रकट गेका थिए । तर, त्यसलाई ध्यान दिइएन । सबैभन्दा महत्वपूर्ण कुरा नेपालको भौगिलिक अवस्थिति र सांस्कृतिक अन्तरघुलनको कारणले संघीयता यो देशका लागि सुहाउँदो पद्दति होइन । त्यसैले हामी संघीयताको प्रक्रियालाई तत्काल स्थगित गर्दै भविष्यमा यसका लाभ हानीबारे अध्ययन-अनुसन्धान गरेर मात्रै निर्णय लिन माग गर्छौं ।


http://www.onlinekhabar.com/2015/11/353183/
 
Posted on 11-22-15 1:06 PM     [Snapshot: 537]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yes federalism was not needed for Nepal. We already had 5 development regions, 14 zones and 75 districts. People were living relatively harmoniously.
But everything changed during Maoist's war. Nepalese were so fed up of the war and the decaying political situation of the country that any move from the political leaders, no mater how absurd and treasonous it may have seemed, went well without any protestation.
In a big part, it was our fault, nepalese citizen's fault to not have kept these corrupt political leaders in check.
We know how to protest and strike but we do not know when to carry them.

I wonder if the country will ever get better when I hear news about the director of Nepal Oil Corporation selling oil in black market.
It is becoming a country of corrupts.
 
Posted on 11-23-15 7:10 AM     [Snapshot: 726]     Reply [Subscribe]
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this latest report enforce even more my fear so lets understand the power of good old tharus, don't take them as granted. let these modi loving whiny madeshi fiddle with mere 8 district, may be we can swap with Darjeeling in future if no more option are left.

 


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