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coolnepali
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Posted on 10-30-04 3:00
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"Tradition has no place in corporate thinking today" Does this apply to IBM? Discuss this statement....What do you have to say about this?
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IndisGuise
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Posted on 10-30-04 9:22
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Do your own assignment Bro... Nice try though. haha. Well if it helps... Firstly, I beg to differ from the statement itself. I believe tradition has some place or influence in todays corporate thinking, if not a whole lot. Tradition often separates an entity from others, and I believe IBM, as well as all and sundry, has some influence or place even in TODAYS corporate thinking. As they say, "Tradition does not mean that the living are dead, but that the dead are living" but having said that, I am not saying that we should follow the tradition blindfolded.? Tradition is an important help to history, but its statements should be carefully scrutinized before we rely on them. " Not exactly what you wanted, but nevertheless I expressed my perspicacity. Hmmmmmmmmm... InDisGuisE.:)
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Pisces
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Posted on 10-31-04 1:50
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I understand this little differently.. Yes that statement apply to IBM. Tradition here means strictly business tradition.. To my knowledge it has nothing to do with cultural or societal tradition whatsoever.. IBM is pointing towards transition, transition of one model to completely different model of business. If you look back to 90s, IBM was strictly in PC manufacturing business and even before that it was involved in making Dinosaur PCs (Main frame). But what is IBM now ? IBM no longer labeled as PC manufacturing company anymore. IBM is now IT solution powerhouse.. IBM says "We translate these advanced technologies into value for our customers through our professional solutions, services and consulting businesses worldwide." Key point here is "consultanting business"..That what IBM currently is, giving up the tradition of PC manufacturing business and emering as in and out IT consultant.. Within 2 years of transition IBM lump the profit by double (check on this, don't bet on me)... I guess this would help..
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Riten
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Posted on 10-31-04 8:00
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Hahahahaha, this is pretty shrewd way to get your homework assignment done by others. Yeah, let other people do the hardwork, let others do the thinking, then quietly take the fruit and run with it. Sad part is, this moron who calls himself coolnepali (nothing cool about him though) seems to be too darn lazy to even pose the question interestingly. It seems he just copied his instructor's question verbatim to this forum. C'mon.... you lazy ass plagiarist who can't think for himself and too lazy to do your own work... get outta here!
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Posted on 10-31-04 9:35
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if IBM had followed its tradition then, it wud have just been surving rather than flourishing.. Piesces bro, IBM still builds PC's and still makes high profit selling it. IBM's clients are mainly big bussiness and big companies. If you ever happen to go to your local wallmart, check thier register, likely it will be IBM's..IBM's, Laptops are very well build, so companies prefer IBM than dell. Yes, they also have been consulting firm and their "ON Demand" highly successful.
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Pisces
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Posted on 10-31-04 11:55
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Confused bro you didn't get my point-- I said IBM is no longer just a PC manufacturer as it used to be. As consultant, IBM service is rather diverse, from CRM to Ecom, Intranet to Internet, Security to Storage management. That is what they call "Total IT solution". Would have IBM a Traditional PC manufacturer by now they would have "lost in a sauce". Do you know who has greater market share in term of Personal Computer in world today ? Still Dell. Just don't look at Walmart, believe it or not Dell has occupied the desk of every houshold user and mid size business. If I compare apple to apple between Dell and IBM, I do not agree IBM has well built PC and laptops than dell, incase of Laptop you can't put Toshiba and Sony Vio out of sight. The reason, big businesses prefer IBM system is because of their service. Yes Walmart, Amex, Wellsfargo, you name, they have IBM system implemented in every corner of their facility, Do you know who is consultant? Again its IBM..Service is not just to support their Servers and PC, they support overall system regardless of the brand - Microsoft or Linux or Cisco. Their service is not just limited of on call or on demand support, they literally place SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR on those big B's floor. La yaar bro maile bujeko ta yehi ho yaar...
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Posted on 10-31-04 2:25
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But what is IBM now ? IBM no longer labeled as PC manufacturing company anymore. IBM is now IT solution powerhouse.. ---bro, maile ta timro yo point padhera matrai jawaf deko ho :P yes, you mentioned, dell, and it has been the bigest influence and the MOST PRofitable compnay in p.c manufacturing bussiness right now, but you need to understand the way dell does its bussiness, they reach the common public, whereas IBM aims at big compaines and bussiness..and i havent regreted the fact that, IBM has changed the way it did bussiness on the 80's by playing a Monopoly, they have become diversed and do provide Total IT Solution ... If I compare apple to apple between Dell and IBM, I do not agree IBM has well built PC and laptops than dell, incase of Laptop you can't put Toshiba and Sony Vio out of sight ----how can you say IBM doesnt have a well built PC than dell?? you think big companies buy IBM because they have support system and dell doesnt, you are very wrong bro, dell also provides many services, the reason most companies buy laptops from IBM is because their laptops are manufactered in way that it becomes very easy to replace and add parts into.. by stating all that, we both are floating in a same boat..
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Pisces
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Posted on 10-31-04 6:16
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Lol confused, we solved Cool Nepali homework.. But its getting interesting now. I said -- "IBM no longer labeled as PC manufacturing company anymore. IBM is now IT solution powerhouse.." - Read it again carefully. I didn't say anywhere IBM doesn't manufacture PCs. I mean today's Market Perception towards IBM is different than Traditional PC manufacturer, as used to be before. BTW IT Solution Powerhouse itself justify my quote, "IBM do manufacture PC"..:P I am not specific to LAPTOP in Big Business - Regarding solution, big companies prefer to get one stop solutions for their system which Dell doesn't provide but IBM does. Don't confuse yourself between SOLUTIONS and SERVICES. Solutions focus on immense system than niche (not just gurantee and waranty). You said "the reason most companies buy laptops from IBM is because their laptops are manufactered in way that it becomes very easy to replace and add parts into.. " - I absolutely disagree with you bro. Do you know why Dell has won market share? Becoz of price and they tailor PC to demand. When I mention about Dell's way of PC customization, I guess I don't have talk about parts ? Bro again compare Apple to Apple and figure out who oversells PCs by the number. By the way who do you think Laptop is targeted to? Isn't Business people are potential LAPTOP users? How can you avoid the fact Dell is not among business ? Dell is not just among the general public like you and me. Do you know what is Dell Market Share alone ? 18.2 % followed by HP 16.9%.. IBM's big chunk of revenue is generated from Solutions. That is one and only IBM competitive advantage. Bottom line IBM delivers solutions not just its desktop and laptop. Jatta bata jasari kuro ghumaye ni you and I come to same conclusion anyway. Tara whenever you are given chance to work with IBM, never say IBM IS PC MANUFACTURER. :P
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Posted on 10-31-04 9:19
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. Do you know why Dell has won market share? Becoz of price and they tailor PC to demand. When I mention about Dell's way of PC customization, I guess I don't have talk about parts ? ...yes, you are right on many things expect this one, dell's laptop ARE cheap, but they are not durable at all, anyone who owns a dell, knows what exactly i am talking about. just after a year those screen begins to shake and the hinges will get cracks, where as IBM's are very durable, and plus they are built like an empty house, not like dell... yes, i knwo pieces i would never say IBM is a PC manufacter company, and again i would never say "IBM no longer labeled as PC manufacturing company anymore".. :) btw bro, how are you relating IT solutions by buying a PC, you think when you buy a PC, they give you free ON Demand IT solution?? :P doenst work that way..and yes, dell's services suck, if you are an american, because half of their ppl are not located in the united states and you will have very hard time understanding an indian guy, whereas IBM doesnt have too much of their ppl outside of united states..
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Posted on 11-01-04 7:37
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As far as thinking is concern, it can be divided in to two (i) incremental thinking (ii) creative thinking. Incremental thinking is back-up with logic but creative thinking does need no logic. Here, question can be answered in various ways, like it can base on (a) manufacturing and service provided by IBM, (b) Corporate change within IBM and its change management, (c) Change in Supply Chain management (supported by UPS), and (d) Shift from 'build to order' to 'order to build'. Cool bro, it is better if you let us know what you are studying (or subject in which this assignment is given to you, if it is........).
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Pisces
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Posted on 11-01-04 12:30
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Confuse bro, this is last one la... Don't mind.. It depends how you consider the market. Today's market is rather complicated than we think..If you just consider American customer and American people, you will no longer be in business. Think about Philip Morris..It wouldn't have existed if Asian are not addicted to the cigaratte. Think about Nike and its Supply chain and so as about IBM and Dell.. "THINK GLOBALLY" is now common slogon among Big American Businesses. You are talking about Indian Representative ? Dude this is exactly how Big Business (specially Tech company) incorporate the sourcing with material procurement,conversion and logistic, know as Supply chain.. Confuse bro, give me one example of big corporate which hasn't outsourced either its services or its productions ? Last but not least, bro I am extremely happy with Dell Customer Service. You know, I ordered my specification, I customized it online and they delivered it . About customer service I haven't call them yet coz I fixed most of the problem by myself. But recently my hard drive crashed they replaced my Hard Drive within 24 hrs.. What could I expect better service than this bro. About IBM laptop, bro guff diye justo huncha tara I had played lots with IBM ThinkPAD when I used to work as Tech support back in Nepal. You know what is weird about IBM Laptop they all are like entry level Laptop. If you compare Dell or Fujitsu of same specification with IBM, man you can see performance difference. La bro lets not debate further. You won't stop criticizing my comment and I won't stop critizing yours even though we agree with each other.
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Posted on 11-01-04 1:07
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pieces you are absolutely right, lets not debate any further :)
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