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Posted on 04-13-06 9:15 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Guys ..........And ......Gals...................
We will soon be Indians.
I don not want Dhotis telling me how to live......and to Decide our faith. India has been looking for this oppertunity to intervene and it might be happening soon......WE WILL BE SOLD TO INDIA,. Read this post
India to act tough for restoration of democracy in Nepal: Report



Kantipur Report


KATHMANDU, April 13 - As violence in Nepal escalates and the crackdown on anti-government protesters gets harsher, New Delhi is getting ready to back up strong words with tough steps to push for the restoration of multi-party democracy in the Himalayan kingdom, an Indian news report said on Thursday.

"We will have to go beyond merely tough talk. If the situation doesn't improve, we will have to take some tough action," the online edition of the Times Of India (TOI) quoted a high-level Indian official source as saying on Thursday.

"We have many levers to call Nepal's king to account. The only problem is that such measures might give some sections in Nepal fodder for anti-India propaganda," the source added.

It is not yet clear what these steps would be, but if the push comes to the shove, New Delhi could use some of the methods it tried in 1989 to protest the Chinese supply of arms to Nepal like restricting transit points and curtailing the supply of petroleum products, the TOI report further said.

But these methods could be used only as a last resort as they led to alienating the Nepalese people instead of hurting the monarchy in 1989, cautions Maj Gen (retired) Ashok Mehta.

"We are running out of patience. King Gyanendra is not leaving us many options now," warned the official, speaking on the condition he was not identified, according to the report.

"India should come out openly in support of the constituent assembly elections. We should encourage the setting up of an interim government of the Maoists and the seven democratic parties," the report quoted S.D. Muni, a Nepal expert at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, as saying.

"The king is fighting a violent battle which he can't win. There is a growing feeling in India that this king can't be sustained," stressed Muni.

"India should convene an all-party meeting and issue a strong statement stating in clear terms that the only way out of the impasse is to restore parliament and hold elections to the constituent assembly," advised Mehta, according to the TOI report.

On Wednesday, New Delhi asked the king to stop using "repressive methods" and make a "genuine effort to initiate a dialogue with the political parties at the earliest."

The report also said that whatever backing the Nepalese monarchy enjoyed in the past in India was "fast dwindling."

The Bharatiya Janata Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and even the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, which were known to oppose any drastic action against the king on the ground that the Nepalese king is the world's only Hindu monarch, are now having a rethink, the report said.

Writing in the latest edition of the RSS mouthpiece "The Organiser", Brajesh Mishra, the former Indian national security adviser, said: "You're digging the grave of the monarchy. You need to step back for the sake of your heirs and for the sake of your country."

Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Sitaram Yechury met Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday and urged him to use the government's "good offices to ensure the early restoration of democracy in Nepal", according to the report.



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Posted on 04-13-06 11:50 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am with Nepalichhoro. There is nothing as such that India conquers or annexes Nepal. Americans, Indians and Chinese, these three countries speak their own interests, but any words in favor of democracy, no matter it comes from the worst enemy, are welcome.
 
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Words in support of Nepalese democracy from any side (including Indians) always scares
"mad dogs". According to scientists, they have "freedom phobia". They want to remain as slaves of "senior mad dog" and want other people to be similar. But as ambient tempertaure has risen quite sharply, "mad dogs" have lost their eyesight too. They are barking everywhere in sajha, 24 hours, 7 days.
 
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cool down guys.

looking at the history , whenever a foreign force intervened nepal, they were destroyed out of their roots. read the history. all of the foreign forces that came and rampaged soon were rooted out.

even krishna in mahabharat, did not take over nepal. he replaced another guy, from then neapl ie kathmandu for a king.

this is pashupatinath ko desh.

beleive it or not.
 
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I,ll HAve the last laugh.................Dhoties........asking me being a hater?....your comments towards me makes you a hater too......have i offended you personally??.....a racist.......oh god......Gundaa......wake up and smell the air .....do you smell curry???.........DIRTY POLITICS BRO........you wouldnt understand......India will soon boycot Nepal and make us suffer...... I dont support the King now or the parties......Bcoz........OF DIRTY POLITICS................Gautam B. you seem to have an answer...why dont you enlighten the room........Do I sound like a slave to you??? ...Man you're Dumb and your pointless remarks..............I advocate My heritage "NEPALI"....you welcome your new Heritage "Indian"..and freedom from the hands of Indians?????......WOOF WOOF TO YOU.....oh ....Im a lover not a hater.....
 
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let them take it. What do we loose? Its better than either India or China annex Nepal rather than Nepal being chopped into pieces by the butcher Gyanendra or the Maoist, or the parties.
 
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Read this column...Rather Intersting.......

EXPLAINING MAOIST STRATEGY: IT'S ALL IN THE SCRIPT
By Dr. Thomas A. Marks

Even as I write, events in Nepal unfold as if a Broadway play – nary a miscue from the script passed out months ago in the Nepalese media.

Having declared a "ceasefire inside the Kathmandu Valley," thus to gain the media "spin" that would necessarily come from "peaceful protestors" being "attacked," the Maoists proceeded elsewhere in the country to attack positions. The Butwal attack is only the most recent example.

Open use of violence "outside" the urban centers has been accompanied by orchestrated rioting "inside." That the foreign media (with the help of the anti-government sectors in the Nepali media) persist in calling such "peaceful protest" only demonstrates how thoroughly detached they are from the reality of the people's war approach.

From the Maoist Playbook

To outline the Maoist strategy for those who were not present at the auditions for parts:

● Overload the security forces "inside" while attacking with main forces "outside." Claim to be only supporting "peaceful" forces for change.

● Use government troop deployments to advantage. If the security forces must move more men inside, flow into the vacuums left behind. If they move outside, send urban partisans inside.

● Exploit every death and claim that any setback (e.g. failure to overthrow the government) proves that only the violent way is left to install "absolute democracy."

● Break the RNA at all costs. RNA is the one real obstacle remaining in the quest for power. So caught up is the SPA in its short-term effort to remain relevant that it is oblivious to long-term peril. SPA can be counted upon to mindlessly perform on cue.

● Move now to exploit the opening provided by Indian perfidy. New Delhi senses an opportunity to at long last create of Nepal a dependency that will do as it is told.

From the Maoist perspective, they have adopted a "win/win" course of action: no matter what actually happens, they will benefit.

By declaring a "ceasefire outside Kathmandu Valley," they seal off the battle area, declaring that it will be a fight between rival bodies of manpower. They feel that the SPA manpower on the streets can overwhelm whatever the police and APF (the backup) can put on the playing field.

When the authorities make mistakes, which ultimately they must if SPAM plans go off as scripted, the government is again "human rights abusers" -- and the howls can already be heard from the usual suspects. Some elements of the Nepali media appear to be working deliberately to fan the anti-government flames.

Further, the violence allows the Maoists to claim they at least gave "peace" a chance.

The dream scenario, from the SPAM perspective, is to replay 1990, with masses rushing across the open boulevard leading to the main palace gate, the troops forced to open fire, bodies filmed by international media and beamed worldwide, India declaring it can no longer stand by "as democracy is crushed."

Role of India

India's role remains to be untangled, but no one who was in Sri Lanka in July 1987 – as I was – can overlook the startling similarities. The Indian invasion, conveniently disguised as the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force), was but the culmination of half a decade of support for Tamil insurgents/terrorists that New Delhi thought it could "manage."

Then, as now, the shape of the international arena played a significant role. India, many have forgotten, had sided with the Evil Empire. There were some 6-7,000 Soviet advisors in the country. It was the first country outside the Warsaw Pact to receive the MIG-29 fighter, the first (and only) ever to be rented a nuclear submarine.

Beyond all else, in a relationship only now emerging from files of the KGB spirited out of the country prior to the resumption of the authoritarianism, the government of Indira Gandhi allowed itself to be fed Soviet disinformation that convinced it Sri Lanka was a threat.

Alleged "special intelligence" provided by Moscow purported to prove Colombo was on the verge of granting Washington basing and spying facilities, India became involved with the Tamil insurgents, eventually training, arming, and basing them. When an initial massing of forces to invade in early 1984 was warned off by the Reagan administration, Delhi simply waited for a more propitious moment. This came in July 1987, as the Sri Lankans moved to crush the trapped insurgents in Jaffna.

What that moment shares with the present is the astonishingly bad "intelligence" that drove Indian policymaking, as well as the claim that "foreign hands" support the monarch. Putting the word in quotation marks only highlights what Indian field commanders realized within days of landing in Jaffna – there was little they had been given in their briefing packets that was accurate.

That India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) had produced "analysis" every bit as flawed as any in the annals of intelligence debacles has since been recognized by no less than India's imperious Proconsul at the time, J.N. Dixit (now deceased) – though he continued to claim, even in his last writings, that India's information on America's intentions was completely reliable.

That India had completely botched its assessments of Sri Lankan ground realities would not surprise anyone who has followed what has emerged as the dominant government position in the present Nepali crisis. Indeed, Indian participants in panels held in Washington, DC, such as S.D. Muni, have distinguished themselves principally in what can only be characterized as willful ignorance of SPAM pronouncements and motives.

To cite but the most egregious example, the Indians continue to claim SPAM is willing to negotiate for itself a role in a parliamentary framework headed by a constitutional monarchy, even as the Maoists give press conferences claiming they will try the monarch in a people's court.

There do seem to be analysts who have correctly identified the astonishingly strategic myopia involved in destabilizing Nepal further even as India itself grapples with its own growing Maoist challenge. In his recent "India, Maoism and Nepal," former Finance Minister Madhukar S.J.B. Rana hit the nail squarely on the head when he wrote, "India is playing a dangerous game of pure real politic where it seeks to intervene in Nepal militarily by using the Maoist [as published] as proxy under the unbelievable propaganda 'to secure peace and democracy for the Nepalese people and to arrest the impending refugee inflow into its own territory'."

Change a word here and there, and the logic is identical to the debacle that became IPKF. It is further noteworthy that in the three bloody years that followed July 1987, IPKF acquitted itself well in "India's Vietnam" (as it was called by the press), even as Indian policymakers sought to cast blame for the blunder on anyone and everyone except themselves. (The most ludicrous position, of course, was the very one the Maoists advance now: it is all the fault of American imperialism.)

Where to From Here?

As irony would have it, it is the growing amicability of India and the US which has served as the strategic cover for New Delhi to bring Kathmandu to heel. Nepali sources have become increasingly blunt (and strident) in the same manner as the Sri Lankans all those years ago, as the Indian ties to Nepali violence become more clear.

One does not have to engage in plot mongering to posit that India is making a major policy error in steering its present course. Neither does one have to cast aspersions to point out the obvious: the SPA portion of SPAM has been willing to play the quisling for momentary political gain.

For it will be momentary, come what may. Let us suppose that the present government collapsed tomorrow. Where would that leave SPA? With two useless pieces of paper and a worthless sheath of promises.

What is tragic is that very little would seem to separate the sides at the moment save profound mistrust. The king agrees that parliamentary democracy should be restored with a constitutional monarch. The Maoists claim they will accept a democratic republic of whatever sort is decided by a constitutional convention. SPA claims the same. SPAM as a whole claims to desire a "ceremonial monarch" (but the "M" has been unwilling to desist from claiming a trial or exile is the only way out for the present monarch). RNA would become a true "national" army, which, not surprisingly, it already thinks it is.

It is important to interject RNA into the discussion, because the shape of any successor organization was a major sticking point in the previous 2003 round of ceasefire talks. SPAM seems to think this institution will simply agree to dissolve itself without discussions of what this entails.

That this will not happen was put to the Maoists directly in 2003, but they were as unwilling then to grapple with the complexities thus raised as they appear to be now. Yet the growing stratum of combat-tested, politically astute officers is not simply going to go as lambs to the slaughter.

Thus a great deal more thought is required upon the part of all sides. This will not take place as long as SPAM persists in its present course.

Dr. Thomas A. Marks is a political risk consultant based in Honolulu, Hawaii and a frequent visitor to Nepal. He has authored a number of benchmark works on Maoist insurgency.
 
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Posted on 04-14-06 4:05 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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And why is this bad news? We all know by now that Nepalis aren't capable of forming a democratic body. Why not let India take over Nepal, the lowest of the lowest turd world countries.
 
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As a matter of fact Nepal should be gulped down bigger fish like Bharat. That is what globalisation is about. It is not "Matsya Nyaya" but union with wealthy neighbours like India or China. Look at the success of United States of America and one day United Nations of Europe. What is wrong with the whole union of South Asia? It is only old traditionists like theirs' insurance with a KING and that he is going to be one daya thing of the past. Why cannot Nepal not be a republic or you its president?
 
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hahahah maddogg how old r u 5??"Gundaa......wake up and smell the air .....do you smell curry???.........DIRTY POLITICS BRO........you wouldnt understand......India will soon boycot Nepal and make us suffer......"
u just said u dont like indians and india will take over bla bla bla and now u r saying they will boycott nepal. wht r u talking abt. u r really strange i love curry dal bhat tarkari. tarkari= curry u dont eat tarkari i m guessing not cuz u must be like full blood nepali right??

i dont hate u dude i dont even know u. i just disagree with ur opinion. ur hate towards indians and india just makes me feel sorry for u.
 
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Why would Indian take over nepal? why why why? what is there in nepal for india...Rather they would be happy to keep away and rip the fruits whatever they want from nepal. Have we ever been able to work independently? Do we have anything that we can call our own? (carpet ko lagi un tibet ya aru muluk bat aauchha, tarkari india bata ani je jati hamro production chha tyo pani sabai made ko udhyog marphat, aru multinational company ko sthapana garyo indian nai hamro market,)
We as a nation have totally failed to provide basic needs for our own people, we can not even construct our own public building (tel com building, bir hospital in Ktm, several colleges and even high school buildings etc). and think of official help and unofficially those lahures/gurkhas bring home their earnings every month or people using all kinda health care facilities in india and even doing daily groceries from bordering towns. aru ta aru samasya kehi parne bittikai hamro raja pani delhi, aru neta pani delhi, maobadi pani delhi, hamra gaule pani delhi (aru sahar samet), bidhyarthi pani tetai???

Ghar ma bhutibhang chhaina picnic khelnu parchha hamilai...

As a matter of fact we were never an independent though not politically. We were and are still riding indian or other countries' back and have false pride of never being colonized...Does it have any meaning when our own people call DESHA jan lageko while going for a winter trip to india to earn few hundred rupees. Sorry friends I never found ourselves proud citizens of a independent country...We are everybit dependent on India and other countries...

I would rather hope India would help us get rid of this king who was and will ever be pain in every Nepalese' ass if not thrown away now. So that some true SONS of Nepal will come forward and show us a ray of hope for a better future.

Guys who have never been out of ktm or those of you who can afford to frequent Bangkok or Hongkong malls to shop will never understand the support we guys are getting from India. Whatever you guys call but I am thankful to india for all the help nepalese are getting from her
 
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WARNING WARNING..........>>>INDIANS>>>>>POLITICAL CORRUPTS>>>>ARE IN THE ROOM ..........THEY F***ING THINK NEPAL SHOULD TAKEN BY INDIANS>>>>>SHAME ON YOU..........YA ............MAN ..........SHAME ON YOU..................gosh! we are getting plenty of Indian luve...........may be for you guys...man I must be in the worst kurakani ever......It feels like an Indian Chat room.............I dont hate Indians...I just dont waNTtO become one....Like you all do so much......eagerly...hoping indians will deliver peace and freedom in a gold Platter.....HAH!!....dream on.....I am a Nepali...not proud to be ....but atleast I do have a identity of my own.....DO you???huh Indian wannabes.....????

wah stx109 Dhoti: as a matter of fact Nepal should be gulped down bigger fish like Bharat.

Rudra Dhoti: Why not let India take over Nepal, the lowest of the lowest turd world countries

ishna.............just because Nepalese government couldnt find wealthin Nepal...doesnt mean we haven't any.....Hydro electricity.......tourisim center....mount Everest....etc.........I dont approve the king but I dont see India a solution either....

oh gunda..........save you sorry for your self...........Im just having fun here......as for my age........I am 5 .....but seeing the logics of adults talk here .........I dunno...I might just be only 2 yrs old......(WTF).although curry and tarkari is the same meaning in english....Nepalese prefers Tarkari./.....Indians ko Curry..............
 
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Man freedom phobia is still better than SOCIAL PHOBIA. When you have a socaily phobic person as your partner then they just make your social life miserable.
 
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I think Bahadurs in general suffer from FREEDOM PHOBIA AND SOCIAL PHOBIA.
 
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yup india will never take over nepal....it just want nepal to be like bhutan. developing, progressive, and ever so democratic! since we have spent billions of dollars on military artilleries, india will make nepal sign treaty to look after it's security need just like it does for bhutan so that we can spend our current military budget on development and rebuilding work (WOW what a plan...how come we never thought of it? i'm sure we will be asking that to ourselves) .

along the same line, nepal's foreign policy has suffered a serious setback as the rest of deplomatic community is distancing itself from nepal in the past couple years. in this wonderfully mastermind indian propaganda to prove nepal foreign policy as incompetent and to rekindle and once again open nepal's diplomatic relationship in the international arena, india will look after and make nepali foreign policy just like it take cares of bhutan. so this way we can save trillions of dollars as we won't have to open embassies or pay corrupt bureaucrats hard earned nepali tax payer's money. instead our needs outside the country will be taken care at india's expense. Another bazzilion dollars idea indeed!

hmmmm after a deep thought....i might be OK with the above scenarios only if we could kick out all the dhots from our land, just like bhutan kicked all the nepalis from their country. what do u say?
 
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I just dont believe India could do it .......They have a lot of mess and it will spread into Nepal too............Even though your Idea is not bad at all...................But if India sends its peace keeping force into Nepal......I wonder how Nepalese will like the Idea of being pushed around even for our own good...........By the Indians............Personally I would hate it. OI TU KAHA JA RAHA HAI????........KAHA SE AAYA...?????.....ID card DIKHA............UUUUUGGHHH!!!!.............I really dont have the answer for our country's future.......Neither the King nor the Politicians or the Maoists leaders.......can settle this in person....they prefer locals to and the citizens to do the action....after a lot of bloodshed.???...lost of life and property.?????....who will be in power????.....Voilence has been justified and human rights denied.....law brutalized ............negativity amplified........security criticized and leavind the future of our country horrified. NEPAL AAMA lai sati ko sharap lage ko chha
 
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YOU KNOW WHAT AFTER READING THE NEWS OF NEPAL AND ALL...................I just want this to unrest to END.........For God shake.............I dont care where it comes from but not at the cost of another Innocent Nepali's life or Blood..............I welcome all negotiation parties.................JUST BRING PEACE TO OUT MOTHER LAND.
 
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India taking over nepal is impossible thing to imagine. In todays world it is just not possible. Being a nuclear power it will be very bad PR for india to do such things... Indian economy depends very much on america, europe, china etc... it can not do such things if it looks after its interests... further there are people in india who want to have nepal as 'hindu' rastra... these people (mad as they are) will never accept merging of a hindu country with a 'secular' country like india.

But india might try to take 'advantage' of the situation. For instance 'defence' related treaties might be pushed. After all present situation is surely favorable for indian establishment to try such things.... More involvement of other members of international community in solution process will remove this possibility as well... Also recently india reject royal governments proposal about karnali project.. instead waiting for a democratic government so that such treaty can be made legally in full accordance with international law...

To sum up. India may try to seek its benifits while helping nepalese people. But incase it really acts as a real friend in this moment then I am sure India will get much more security from nepal side because of public goodwill than any treaty can get it.
 
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India taking over nepal is impossible thing to imagine. In todays world it is just not possible. Being a nuclear power it will be very bad PR for india to do such things... Indian economy depends very much on america, europe, china etc... it can not do such things if it looks after its interests... further there are people in india who want to have nepal as 'hindu' rastra... these people (mad as they are) will never accept merging of a hindu country with a 'secular' country like india.

But india might try to take 'advantage' of the situation. For instance 'defence' related treaties might be pushed. After all present situation is surely favorable for indian establishment to try such things.... More involvement of other members of international community in solution process will remove this possibility as well... Also recently india reject royal governments proposal about karnali project.. instead waiting for a democratic government so that such treaty can be made legally in full accordance with international law...

To sum up. India may try to seek its benifits while helping nepalese people. But incase it really acts as a real friend in this moment then I am sure India will get much more security from nepal side because of public goodwill than any treaty can get it.
 
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DID IT TAKE SO LONG TO FIGURE OUT THAT WE WERE GOING TO SOLD TO INDIA??? after jestha 19??
 
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Exactly................But now it will be more intresting to see what happens next and see the results if India interfers............I'd love to see our nepalese...Proud nepalese react...................HATI HAINA DATI LADNE NEPALI KO BANI HUNCHHA, KAHILE NA JHUCKNE SHIRA UTHEKO SWABHIMANI NEPALI HUNCHHA.............>Oh if there is a way to end this all soon ............we all should welcome any helping hands and wellwishers........
 



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