Baburam Bhattai said in an interview to BBC that reinstatement of the parliament is "dhoka" and SPA violated the 12 point agreement. What does this mean? Does this mean that the civil war will continue??

Theo,
The main problem in Nepal is the insurgency not the corruption of the parties or the kings rule. These are minor as compared to the insurgency in which 13,000 lives are lost and counting. Nepal will not move an inch unless this insurgency is quelled. Maoabdis will not give up arms regardless of the change in political landscape. Let us all work together to get rid of the insurgency than we can change what ever necessary.
Unless people like you and me do our best from our level to get rid of this insurgency, it will not go away.
-Shiv

Well, enemy of my enemy is my friend. So that logic was what prevailed in the formation of Maoist-SPA alliance. But now, with the king somewhat a lesser influence in the picture for the time being, naturally, each group is trying to get the upper hand in the matter. I think the current Maoist stance is nothing more than just that, a stance, to make sure they come on top or near-top when the dusts settle.

So, let's see what happens come Friday. Contituent Assembly is a sure thing. It's going to happen. Now, how it happens is the question. And that will determine whether we will be able to ride the night-bus again, eat dinner at Mugling, and what not without any fear from the armed forces or the MB's.

The maoists should lower their tone!

The king has said that the re-instatement of the parliament is as per the sentiment of the movement and to be carried on according to the roadmap of the 7 parties.

And the roadmap of the seven parties is the-interim government and election of constituent assembly and SPA leaders are comitted for. This is what the maoists also wanted. Now the SPA should establish contact with the maoists and try to involve them in the interim government. Keep the Royal Nepal and Maoist army under UN supervision.

What I didn't like about Girija is he couldn't refuse the offer of premiership. His political height would have been doubled had he decided to give this chance to someone else.
Girija has been prime minister 9 of the 12 years of Democracy Nepal.

I would prefer leader like Narahari Acharya, if it has to be from Nepali Congress. We have to warn the leaders that no CIAA chargeshitted leaders can go in government any more.

Shiv,

It may sound like chicken-or-the-egg kind of argument, but I think the insurgency is the outcome of 12 years of SPA rule. Yes, it definitely needs to be crushed, but it is like cutting a branch rather than removing the root of a weed. We may crush the Maoist violence. But unless the the social norms that existed in our society and more specifically in the parties are not changed, the insurgency will show up in one form or other. In other words, if all the politicians are corrupt like they were last 12 years, violence like Maoism will keep happening.

Let's hope positive that maoist dissatisfaction is just to maintain pressure on SPA leadership so that they don't go out of the rail.

Shiv,
Its the corruption that led to insurgency. But people here were camouflaging the real problem with Gyaney chor desh chood bullshit(not that he is any better). I wonder how sucessful this Republican movement is going to be with guns pointed at their head.

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Theo,
I do agree that the insurgency was fueled during the party rule but I think the insurgency was born out of greed for power and money, nothing more. They used maos idea because it appeals to the peasants and you know most of us are peasants. Regardless of how it got started we face a problem that is not easy to quell. Regardless of the change in political landscape maobadis will not give up arms. Arms are their only means to prove their existence and power. Without arms maobadis will be nothing.
The most important issue is how girija can convince India to help him get rid of the maobadi leaders who are in Delhi safe heaven.
India used maobadis as a wild card against the parties to keep them in check. Without Indias active cooperation and participation this insurgency will not go away.

And people like Nepe, his chamchas Newuser, Poonte, Prajatantra, Gwyajo who would lable anyone here in sajha as Royalists if the person disagrees with the old fart politicla leaders are quite now. Muji haru ko mukh ma, Girija ley gobar lipyo jasto chani aba ta.

BC,
I think the corruption fueled the insurgency rather than main cause of it. Little bit difference in opinion here
:-)
-Shiv

Nah !!
It is corruption that led the insurgency, not just fueled it. Poor kept getting poorer and the rich kept getting richer. Communist Ideology is Power to the poor. But these fukin Mao's are exploiting them. They threaten them if they don't agree. Looting & stealing ? The question you have to ask yourself is," What is maoist commies grass root support ? Where do they get their bread and butter ? Remember you need $$$ to run an army. You have to look at the BIG PICTURE not just the trouble at hand.

Shiv,

I think the insurgency was born due to the class difference in the society. And there is class difference because it serves the purpose of the leaders of these parties. Let me try to explain this in detail.

There is a big class difference in our society. They are pretty much like the oppresser and the oppressed. Few people like Prachanda and Baburam saw that difference and used that difference in their benefit. In other words, they used these oppressed population in the society, who are poor and resourceless, to get to their destination.

The second part is why there is two classes in our society? It is becasue it serves the ruling parties. If the people are educated and aware of what's going on in the country and what the leaders are doing, they can never do what they did in the last 12 years. Therefore their main goal is to keep majority of the people undereducated. Thus creating two classes. I think this is how Maoism came into our society. Therefore if the parties and the leaders focus on educating the entire country, Maoism will get no place in our society.

I don't agree about the statement that India needs to cooperate to quell Maoism. If we need India's cooperation in any way, it is only that India needs to stop supplying hte arms and training for those Maoists.

I do agree with you that India is using Maoists as their wild card.

संविधान सभा, पूर्ण प्रजातन्त्र या गणतन्त्र जस्तो सुकै नारा दिए पनि अन्त्यमा गएर सरकार त आफ्नो पार्टीको बन्नु पर्‍यो नि। नत्र राजनीति गर्नु नै किन? आफू सरकारमा नआएसम्म राजा सम्वैधानिक होस कि, देश निकाला होस कि, के मतलब? के संविधान बनाएर मात्र माओवादीको उद्येश्य पूरा हुन्छ? नेपालमा शान्ति छाएर प्रचण्ड र बाबुरामले के पाउछन्? उनीहरुले कब्जा गरेका ईलाका, सम्पत्ति र हजारौ कार्यकर्ता अनि छापामारहरुको भविश्य के? फेरि दुःखको कुरो त यो विजयमा उनीहरुको हात सुन्य रह्यो। जुन आन्दोलनमा आफ्नो सकृय सहभागिता नरही खालि नैतिक समर्थन मात्र रह्यो, त्यस्तो आन्दोलनको सफलताप्रति हर्ष बढाई गर्नुको औचित्य के? तर उनीहरुलाई असैह्य हुनु पर्ने कुरा के छ भने यस्तो खाले आन्दोलनको लागि माओवादीले १० वर्षदेखि तयारी गरिरहेका हुन्। आन्दोलन भरि माओवादीका मुद्दा र नारा सुनिए। माओवादीलाई धन्यवाद - १२ बुदे सहमतिले मात्र आन्दोलनलाई यो रुप दिन सकेको हो। तर माओवादीको दुर्भाग्य आन्दोलन सफलताको श्रेय गयो ७ पार्टीलाई। त्यसैले माओवादीले आन्दोलनको परिणामलाई अस्वीकार गर्ने निष्चित थियो।

पहिले पनि विश्वसनीयता गुमाई सकेका माओवादीलाई अब उनीहरुलाई जन चाहना विरुद्ध जान सजिलो छैन। उनीहरुले ब्यवधान खडा गरेमा फेरी राजा र विदेशी तत्वहरुले खेल्ने मौका पाउछन्। तर खेलमा अलिक गडबड भो जस्तो छ – माओवादीको दर्द म बुझ्छु। सात पार्टीको क्षणिक नै सही तर लोकप्रियता बढ्यो। त्यसैले माओवादीहरुले बहुदलीय प्रजातन्त्रलाई स्वीकारेर तिकडमबाजी भन्दा धैर्यको खेल खेल्नु पर्छ। नेपाली जनताको चाहना पनि गिरिजाको भन्दा प्रचण्ड र बाबुरामको सरकार नै हेर्ने ईच्छा बढी हुन सक्छ। अब नयाँ संविधान बनाएर नयाँ सरकार बनाउने तिर लागौ कमरेड हो! त्यसैमा हामी नेपाली र नेपालको भलाई छ।

Theo,
Regardless on the difference in our opinion on how it started or what fueled it, it is there and will be there for a while. Lets keep that argument aside.

I want to comment on your statements
> There is a big class difference in our society
> The second part is why there is two classes in our society?

Please tell me of a society, a community or a country where classes do not exist. Classes are formed naturally in any society based on the understanding and beliefs of that society. There is no such thing as classless, it does not exist. Take any communist country, republic country or democratic country there will always be a superior ruling class, a privileged one, who will be ahead of the rest of the classes.

Please do not take my statements as I advocate the class system in Nepal or I advocate the people that oppressors rather I am pointing the fact of any society that there will always be people who will employ others to do their house work. For example if you have someone working for your family in your house obviously you have to pay them and this makes you the employer or the oppressor because you pay him so little for so much of the work that he has to do. The idea of oppressor and oppressed depends on how you look at it.

Having said that I want to retriate that I am against some corrupt traditional practices that plague our villages. A lender lends money in such high interest rates that the person looses everything. This is due to lack of education. I am sure there are other practices that I do not know about, oh there is one I hate is class discrimination. Lets leave the evils of our society for a while and see if its eradication is possible, all together.

We also have to accept the fact that we are an underdeveloped nation -in an underdeveloped geographical region. Sure this will change as India's GDP is growing so is China's it will take time to change our GDP but not until this insurgency is quelled.

Once the GDP goes up in Nepal the differences in classes will slowly disappear. Level of living standard will rise and cease the difference in classes that is apparent now.

my .02 cents

> it is only that India needs to stop supplying hte arms and training for those Maoists.

This is one of the things that India needs to do and I call it their "active" cooperation to quell the insurgency..
g2g..

HomLal ji,

माओवादी लाई बन्दुक बाहेक अरु कुरा मा बिश्वास या भरोसा छैन, त्त्यसैले उनि हरु बाट केही सकारात्मक कदम को अपेक्षा गर्नु भुल हो जस्तो लाग्छ मलाइ त।

-Shiv

We should understand this is normal in politics. Maoists are doing this for bargaining and they also have understanding with SPA about it. SPA also do not want that Maoist fully support the Royal Proclamation because SPA still has to bargain with the King or even has to go again in street for the constitutional assembly. It would have been great if SPA could have stood firmly for unconditional constitutioanl assembly but it is again politics. SPA know very well Moaist are ahead of them and even more popular than them at this point so they are doing this to give less credit to Maoist.

Everything will be all right, let's be optimistic but vigilant

commies are a bunch of bigots...case in point: these three butchers: pol pot, mao and stalin. chairman mao wanted everyone in china to wear their blue uniforms. he wore blue too, but his clothes were made of silk, while the peasants wore cotton. india has been harboring these maoists.. how else would girija and company routinely visit india to talk to maoists. and india claims it has no intelligence on maoists. gimme a break!!! the indians want the upper hand in dealing with nepal. harboring the maoist leadership allows them to do that.

shivaji is right. there will always be class division. there is blatant class division in the US. just go to the ghettos. the only difference here is that there is noone dying of starvation. however, economic prosperity will not remove class division. it will replace it with a different form of class division - like the one in the US.

Shiv,

Thanks for writing. I do agree with your idea that any society will have at least two classes, if not more. But when these classes turn into opreeser and oppressed, then it becomes a problem. That is what happned in Nepal and the other thing that happened is that, like I mentioned in earlier thread, Prachanda and Baburam used it as their tool to get to their destination. We can talk for a week about the class system and not get over it. But the point here is that is what gave birth of Maoism in Nepal. What Maoists did is exaggerated their ideology of free land and this and that to bring those oppressed ones in their side.

Now, I blame the SPA to flourish that gap in the last 12 years. I truly believe that their goal was to keep people uneducated so that they can keep doing what they did in that period of time. The evidence for this is that in their time, their goal was to send Nepalese youth to Middle East for work, rather than trying to generate employment in Nepal itself and there is a good reason for that. If the country has no youth, they won't have anybody voicing against them.

I think we do agree on the fact that education is what is lacking in this so-called democracy in our society.

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