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Posted on 04-28-06 12:26 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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To reflect and... Act.

The difference between the poor countries and the rich ones is not the age of the country.

This can be shown by countries like India & Egypt, that are more than 2000 years old and are poor.

On the other hand, Canada, Australia & New Zealand, that 150 years ago were inexpressive, today are developed countries and are rich.

The difference between poor & rich countries does not reside in the available natural resources.

Japan has a limited territory, 80% mountainous, inadequate for agriculture & cattle raising, but it is the second world economy. The country is like an immense floating factory, importing raw material from the whole world and exporting manufactured products.

Another example is Switzerland, which does not plant cocoa but has the best chocolate of the world. In its little territory they raise animals and plant the soil during 4 months per year. Not enough, they produce dairy products of the best quality. It is a small country that transmits an image of security, order & labor, which made it the world’s strong safe.

Executives from rich countries who communicate with their counterparts in poor countries show that there is no significant intellectual difference.

Race or skin color are also not important: immigrants labeled lazy
in their countries of origin are the productive power in rich European countries.

What is the difference then?

The difference is the attitude of the people, framed along the years by the education & the culture.

On analyzing the behavior of the people in rich & developed countries, we find that the great majority follow the following principles in their lives:

1. Ethics, as a basic principle.
2. Integrity.
3. Responsibility.
4. Respect to the laws & rules.
5. Respect to the rights of other citizens.
6. Work loving.
7. Strive for saving & investment.
8. Will of super action.
9. Punctuality.

In poor countries, only a minority follow these basic principles in their daily life.

We are not poor because we lack natural resources or because nature was cruel to us.

We are poor because we lack attitude.

We lack the will to comply with and teach these functional principles of rich & developed societies.

If you do not forward this message nothing will happen to you. Your pet will not die, you will not be fired, you will not have bad luck for seven years and also you will not get sick.

If you love your country, let this message circulate for a major quantity of people could reflect about this & CHANGE, ACT!!
 
Posted on 04-28-06 12:37 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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.....a naked truth...but still not visible to many eyes....
 
Posted on 04-28-06 1:49 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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very true, unless and untill we realise that, we will remain so, pulling legs of those minority who progress as they have in them to do. Hence, change of attitude is must, and again it is something to be seen in generational time span.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 8:04 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Coldfirestone,

You presented very well defined and obvious truth about Nepal.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 8:51 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Ok, I will have to digress on many points coldfirestone put as principles to success or to richer and prosperous nation.
First of all, being in America and having watched and learnt capitalism first hand, I will have to disagree on Ethics, Integrity, Responsibility, Respect to the right of other citizens. A country that produces 30% of world's pollution, a country with the biggest fast food chain which has tremendously undertaken the task to deforest South American rain forest to create pasture land for cows to produce cheap beef definitely cannot have proper Ethics, Integrity, Responsibility, Respect to the laws and rules and definitely no Respect to the rights of other citizens.
Rich, capitalistic countries ship their garbage to be dumped on other poor countries posing health hazards to the citizens of those countries and polluting their environment. And the very countries that coldfirestone mentioned like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and let me add USA, were created following probably the greatest human rights abuse in human history. The natives of these lands if still alive after decades and decades of genocide, are forced to live in small reserves today.
And these capitalist countries do not mind in fact activate importing cheap goods from countries where human rights are abused, child labor is rampant, working conditions are worse.
So yes, the rich countries do not become rich because of the first five principles put forth here.

But I have to agree on the last 4 principles. Mainly, Work loving. Rich countries are so driven by corporate culture that their citizens live to work and not the other way around. 55 to 60 hours are minimum with barely 2 weeks of vacation time if you want to work and survive in a corporate. Basically, the citizens of rich countries closely resemble robots. And so much precedence and value given to money and the lack of time for yourself or to your family could be the cause for broken families and deteroting societal values. Strive for saving & investment, Will of super action and Punctuality are just parts of capitalism.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 12:12 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I absolutely agree with hurray. You can't be rich without exploitation. America doesn't fit most of those qualities you described. Those virtues if mastered will help one achieve more peace of mind and tranquility rather than gain monetarily. Its rubbish. Being rich has to do with, being shrewd, opportunistic, greedy, innovative and creative yet misleading. The byproducts of capitalism has helped people improve their superficial lives, but I don't know if it has helped the planet or helped people spritually.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 1:28 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Absolutley right everythingzen22.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 1:34 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Does america bully over others ?? sure it does

BUT

did america made its wealth by bullying on others ?? certainly not ....

In todays world america has much to say than UK, France, germany ,, why these country made themself rich by colonizing but not amercia. that is the reason america garnered lots of support back in 1950's and 60's. only off late their foreign policy is getting little freaky and obviously they are paying for it .
 
Posted on 04-28-06 2:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Does america bully over others ?? sure it does

BUT

did america made its wealth by bullying on others ?? certainly not ....

Nepali choro bro .......you should not have raised this issue..................now you are forcing me to talk about US Imperlism...................the topic i am so tired of talking over and over ................................

45 % of the world resources is being consumed in the US.................270 mil people ( 4%) using 45 %.....................may be you will defend with an argument................they have wealth to support that ..........................why imported oil is the second cheapest in the US than any countries ( other than middle east)??? BUT american still are comlaining that gas price is unaffordable........................nepal bhanda sashtho chha............comparig nepal ........$ 11.4 trillian of economy to $ 10 billion economy ...................how much people who are in average making $ 35,000 per year are paying less price than people who are making $ 220 per year..............

Oh well going back to our original topic...........BULLYING...............I ask you only one question...............why does the US has militray bases in 90 differnt countries? are you going to buy the crap ..................terrorism .....regional stability.............. give me a break........................... they are there to control the economy by controlling their resources...................How come that is not BULLYING.......i will give you only one name ....do your research and come back ......name is...." Halliburton" ......by the wayvice-president Dick cheney used to be the CEO of Halliburton
 
Posted on 04-28-06 4:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Neaplichhoro, like dead burton suggested, you need to go and do some research.
Just a hint of USA's way to bully: CIA. Do you think the biggest intellegence agency in the world was created just to take Spot on a walk?

Spot: White House's current pet dog.
 
Posted on 04-28-06 5:55 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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.i'd washed my hands off sajha for the time being - especially since i needed to rest and enjoy the apparent victory of the people. but here is this topic and i couldn't resist. so...here goes nuthin'

i think it is nice to look at developed countries and praise them, implicitly or explicitly, overtly or covertly. i like that because it is reflective of positive thinking, which makes life so much better. at the same time i don't know if positive thinking makes you richer. i am not saying that positive thinking and wealth are mutually exclusive - all i am saying is they are not necessarily two sides of the same coin. some people may have positive thinking because they are rich and vice versa or positive thinking by some might lead them to not believe in wealth. ok, to the topic at hand.

it is too simplistic (and indeed, dangerous) to boil down the fate of nations, at least the economic fate, to a few points - "bare essentials". looks great but it dangerous. let's see, there are 9 in the original post. even before i go into whether they are valid avenues of development of nations, i would start by asking the question: is it correlation or causation or reverse causation? in other words, did ethics, integrity, responsibitlity, respect of the law, respect of rights of fellow citizens, workaholicism, savings and investment, will for super action and puctuality cause growth and development or is it the other way around or are they merely moving together without a causal link in either direction?

again, to see the names of colonized (current or former) countries as examples is interesting. i have to admit what i am going to say here is not totally original. my views on this have been heavily influenced by Daron Acemoglu, an up-and-coming Turkish economist, i think he is currently at MIT. he contends that when we talk about colonialism and subsquent fate of colonized nations, it is important to look at the institutional legacy of colonialism. he basically argues that there were two modes of colonialism - one that focused on extraction and another that focused on deeper involvement. india would be an example of the former while america would be an example of the latter. let me clarify - heck, i'll just say it in story form. so when the british came to india, they saw that it was already a big country with plenty of civil infrastructure in place. so they decided, they were not going to bring in wholesale changes in that country as that would be too expensive. besides, to control and tell a whole bunch of people to start living differently would meet much resistance. so the institutions they set up in india was designed to extract - send in a few people, few troops and extract the resources, and collect tributes etc. when the british came to america however, they saw that there weren't many people there but there was a lot land to be developed. so what they started doing was bring in people and start a system of institutions of what they knew best at the time - things like "rule-of-law" and "property rights" - things that one could almost consider to be accidentally chosen were it not for the experience they'd already had with them in europe. of course, this meant dismantling whatever existing infrastructure (civil or otherwise) these places had. hence the destruction of the native americans. "guns, germs and steel" in short. but of course, this they did for themselves, mind you not for this new country they were building. [ok, i know i wasn't accurate when i said the british came to america, but that was just a story, you get the idea.] acemoglu's claim is that colonialism had a drastic effect on the wealth of nations. formerly wealthy nations who were colonized became, and are still poor, while formerly not-so-rich countries became, are are now, richer when we carry out a cross country comparison. the reason lies in the the different institutions cultivated by the colonizers - and i like that idea.

{the swiss have always been great at being neutral. no offence, all power to them, but that has turned out to be quite favorable. swiss-land has been the haven for several fleeing aristocrats from time immemorial. most recently, i guess you could talk about nazi gold and other riches being stuck there. of course, that is not enough to get rich but it certainly helps!}

now to the more controversial issues: ethics, integrity etc. i would just say one thing and one thing alone - hunger for money, plus the ability to compromise one's beliefs (or the ability to be unscrupulous) for that supreme being - money - certainly helps a lot. other than that, there are things that seem to help like hard work - but think of all the hard working people in nepal. savings - look at america, low savings high growth (at least in the last coupla decades). again helps and causes are very different.

other than that, i really don't think we are up to the point where we can say, yes this causes growth and development and that does not. if we'd known, and assuming we all want that, wouldn't we be there already or close? and certainly there are a lot of political and geo-political factors at play.

i would like to assert that the original post is not truth, at least not the truth. i am not even sure there is such a thing as truth, but if there is, this is not it. i think we can begin with asking what is development - does wealth cut it (in terms of defining development)?
 
Posted on 04-28-06 6:26 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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BIchara coldfirestone le ramailo ko lagi thread start gareko thiyo hola....................hami le stats ra real fact lekhera.....bro lai bore garau jasto chha............... Oh well i will go back to basketball thread................Politcal is not fun in sajha.................coz 95 % of the sajha visiter has no knowledge of history what so ever ...................................
 


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