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garbagegigo
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Posted on 11-21-09 9:59
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Hi everyone, critical thinking is my hobby and I try to analyze media articles from time to time. Here is my latest one: http://docs.google.com/View?id=d67zzx6_51kbr57nhsAny comments and feedback are very welcome. This is related to each and every one of us Nepalese people and it would be better if people started thinking critically and for themselves instead of relying of the media to do their thinking for them. Just think about it -- why would a company that is motivated solely by profit think about your welfare if it could earn more money? I do not profess to understand capitalism, but I think a major part of it is profit and yet more profit and we are trying to emulate the US which is a prime example of capitalism. Let me know how you liked the article and if I should continue or not.
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Posted on 11-21-09 6:41
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First of all i think the writer does not imply globalization to be good, he was just mentioning it of reaching Nepal. Also, glocalize (or glocalization) is not a word the writer created, he just wanted people who did not know what it meant (including you) to realize how it came into term. And, the main reason for the article as far as i perceive is not to give the writers point of view, but being journalistically neutral he would have just liked to have made the people think whether such institutions are good or bad. As far as i know, fast food chains, when exporting chicken to global chains dont send the live chicken, they tend to send already processed meat. And as far as bird flu, global fast food chains have comparatively much higher standards and you might sound paranoid, when you mention the threat of bird flu. "for eating-out is still in a nascent culture here" it just means people are just beginning to eat out more often. i dont know how did you come up with the thought that, the writer was promoting eating out?
I think you are just being paranoid most of the time regarding how you analyze. Globalization has its own pros and cons, however i think Nepal has not yet achieved the sense of globalisation yet to figure out if it does more bad than good.
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garbagegigo
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Posted on 11-21-09 8:25
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Hi Zavod, there are two meanings of words. One is the denotation, which is the dictionary meaning of the word or the literal meaning of the words that are used. The other is the connotation, which is what the words mean when put into context, when the style, tone and even the word choice is evaluated. They go even further in linguistics and I could go on here but it would be better if you just looked it up in Google. I do not want to go into the details of explaining everything, but I will explain the very first argument I gave as an example. I am not making this up by the way, it is standard for every student of English literature. "one of the signs that globalisation has finally touched our Capital". Notice the word finally? Let's look at the sentence again without the word "finally": "one of the signs that globalisation has touched our Capital" Do you notice the difference in the underlying meaning? Something is being stressed in the first sentence. The question is what? Now let's analyze the context of the phrase. The whole paragraph is below: Forget sekuwas and momos for now. The Kathmandu consumer will soon be a part of the global bandwagon, for what we will have soon is probably, along with McDonald’s, one of the signs that globalisation has finally touched our Capital.As anyone can see, globalization is being stressed in the above paragraph. If I were to write the thing in an anti-globalization way, I would write it as follows: Kathmandu consumers will soon have to experience globalization as McDonalds and KFC are coming to the capital. You might not see the difference yet, so let me rewrite the sentence as supporting globalization: Kathmandu consumers will soon get a taste of globalization as McDonalds and KFC are coming to the capital. If you still cannot see the difference, then I cannot help it.
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zavod
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Posted on 11-21-09 10:20
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almost anything that a person writes is open to different an open interpretations. Even though i might not be qualified without my degree in english literature, I still believe the writer in the article with the word "finally" was trying to emphasize that mconalds and its sort brings about globalization. I dont think he was writing against or for globalisation.
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Posted on 11-22-09 11:58
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garbagegigo, It's not coincidence that your name says a whole lot about your analysis. I would even suggest changing the second part of your name from 'gigo' to 'aigo,' for 'Anything In Garbage Out.' Any layman could see the article was relatively neutral on whether globalization is good or bad. But you had to over-analyze every word.
"Forget sekuwas and momos for now. The Kathmandu consumer will soon be a part of the global bandwagon, for what we will have soon is probably, along with McDonald’s, one of the signs that globalisation has finally touched our Capital."
You picked one word from the last sentence and suggested the writer was supporting globalization. Why didn't you read the second sentence properly. Someone can also argue that 'global bandwagon' is a derogatory term. When you say someone jumps in a bandwagon, you are suggesting they are imitating what everyone else is doing, usually without thinking properly.
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garbagegigo
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Posted on 11-22-09 2:48
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Hey FortuneFaded, I am not going to get dragged down to your level because you obviously do not know how to debate. Instead of debating the message, you are personally attacking me. This shows your level of maturity :) I could launch a similar type of personal attack on you and say "now I know why your fortunes are faded because you lack something between your ears" but then that would do nothing to advance the debate now would it? Your argument is so flawed that I don't even know where to begin. And yes I am analyzing each and every word that people write because there is an entire branch of study that does that but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that or else you wouldn't be writing this. Do you know anything about the tone of articles or is that non-existent as well? How about diction? Alliteration? Did you know that you can tell the mood of the author from the way the article is written. Oh wait ... that's right ... that would be over analyzing for you.You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so maybe the next time you want to comment on something you can either comment on something that you know about or if you don't know anything about the subject then you can at least have the decency not to personally attack the author. Now what do they call people who attack the writer without knowing anything about the subject? Yup that's right -- trolls. You do know what a troll is don't you? Or are you going to say that I am making this up as well, haha.
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Posted on 11-22-09 4:14
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It's certainly not worth my time to humiliate you on your 'critical analysis,' but you asked for it and so I will make your day. I have read the original article and I don't have any criticisms there, but please let me critique your half-baked analysis. Seriously, are/were you high when you wrote your comments? I will quote your words along with some parts from the original article and then respond with mine.
"The writer talks like this is a good thing. I am not debating whether this is good or bad but I am merely pointing out the innuendos. We can debate whether blindly following globalization is good or bad but that would have to be the subject of another article. If you have no idea whether globalization is good or bad, then this would be a good time to look it up and decide for yourself."
Like I already said the writer doesn't say globalization is good or bad. Throughout the article the writer states that he doesn't know what will be the true impact of KFC/McDonald's in Nepal.
(globalise + localise) "(coining new terms .. I’m not sure journalists are supposed to do this)."
This is so funny I would have laughed if you were in elementary school. Just because you didn't know what globalise meant doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't. Besides, who are you to say who gets to coin a new term?
"(imported chicken – bird flu – why didn’t this ring any bell anywhere in this article? Is our Government seriously thinking of letting foreign fast food chainsimport live chickens from another country without testing the chickens? Why wasn’t this issue raised in this article which was posted in the website of one of the leading dailies of Nepal? Why let them import chickens when our local ones can be used thus giving a boost for local chicken farmers and thus strengthening the economy of Nepal? What is happening here? Have I gone mad or am I the only one who sees the injustice and stupidity of such a decision?)" Imported Chicken, ahhh, bird flu. Your brain, which clearly lacks any form of processing, actually thought they were bringing in live chickens from Brazil? LOL. How do you know they were not bringing processed chicken? Your second point of why not use local chickens is valid and the only thing notable in your ganalysis (ganauke + analysis). Big chain stores like Walmart, KFC, Pizza-hut etc hurt small stores and restaurants and some communities in the US are trying to ban such chains from their areas because many people depend on such small stores for a living. I am not saying they are bad but they do have side-effects on the local community and I seriously hope there has been enough research done and backup plans made ready back in Nepal just in case something goes wrong" This is nothing new. We all know big business killing local stores but hey it's free market!
What the entry of the brands actually means for the Nepali consumer remains to be seen,"for eating-out is still in a nascent culture here" "(it is implied here that eating-out is a good thing. Do you agree? Of course you have your opinion, and you should think for yourself and come to your own conclusion. I am merely pointing out the meanings and references that are hidden betweenthe lines.)" Again the writer states he doesn't know what will be the true impact. I don't know how you come up with your conclusions but nascent culture DOESN'T MEAN 'good thing!' Garbage, my point here is to show you how you shouldn't nitpick on every word a person says. Sure there are subliminal messages every now and then but I think you went head over heels this time. This is nothing personal but your critique was an attack based on what you assumed from the article. I just showed what it feels like to be in the receiving end. Garbagegigo's Gober-filled Grey-matter Glistens of Ganja. How about that for an alliteration?  Peace, FF
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zavod
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Posted on 11-22-09 5:02
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Posted on 11-22-09 5:36
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I wouldn't call that analysis... you are summarizing facts and comparing them ? How about the standards in food processing these companies have utilized, how about the technology they use to preserve foods with little variance in taste from all the KFC worldwide ? How about the logistics; managing the chain making the order ready in less than 5 minutes ? You are also missing how they are providing direct and indirect employment in the country.. Not to mention how are they gonna impact our economy ? This could be just another profitable venture in the context of economy where there is no investment from the private and the government sector but a multi national company is coming with that big investment..It could just open doors for other companies to come and invest in Nepal. You can't compare the situation of nepal with usa or other countries. That is just ridiculous ...... Let's say walmart opens up in Nepal and you think that is seriously gonna hurt our economy... Dude they will be buying cheap goods from China and selling in Nepal but they will be hiring thousands of Nepalese in the process... we don't have anything to lose... anyways our economy is import oriented and that won't cause any trouble for us ...It might only hurt the big businessmen who pay from penny or nothing in taxes and evade millions in taxes..At-least multinational companies will follow the rules and regulation of the country and at least pay taxes to the government.
You seem no naive that KFC will import live chicken from brazil, but they process foods at a processing facility governed by International and Local standards......
To be honest with it was worth a try....but your analysis lack connecting points... Good luck.... Peace out..
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Posted on 11-22-09 6:02
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Hey FortuneFaded, your fortunes have certainly faded as you show your own lack of intelligence. If your IQ was below 100 I wouldn't be surprised. Let me break it down for you so that even a dunce like you drooling on the keyboard can understand: "The
writer talks like this is a good thing. I am not debating whether this
is good or bad but I am merely pointing out the innuendos. We can
debate whether blindly following globalization is good or bad but that would have to be the subject of another article. If you have no idea whether globalization is good or bad, then this would be a good time to look it up and decide for yourself."
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I already said the writer doesn't say globalization is good or bad.
Throughout the article the writer states that he doesn't know what will
be the true impact of KFC/McDonald's in Nepal.
Wow! Impressive show of your understanding of English! If you cannot understand the implied meaning of words, then just leave it boy and stick to your elementary school English. You seriously make me laugh when you say that you can't detect what the writer is implying. Of course you can't! It's OK. Not everyone can understand, some have to be dunces like you. Now go home to your mommy haha.
(globalise + localise) "(coining new terms .. I’m not sure journalists are supposed to do this)."
This
is so funny I would have laughed if you were in elementary school. Just
because you didn't know what globalise (Really good at spelling aren't you? If this is the attention you pay to your thoughts, I don't even want to be talking to you -- it's a waste of my time.) meant doesn't mean the rest of
the world doesn't. Besides, who are you to say who gets to coin a new
term?
Do you even know what journalists are supposed to do? Wait .. of course you don't but you don't care right?? That is because you just want to blanket everything under your own way of thinking. That is way more secure right? Let me educate you: Journalists are not supposed to use obscure terminology and they definitely should not coin new terms. That's the ABC of journalism but you wouldn't know that now would you? I didn't think so.
"(imported chicken – bird flu – why didn’t this ring any bell anywhere in this article? Is our Government seriously thinking of letting foreign fast food chains import live chickens from another country without testing the chickens? Why wasn’t this issue raised in this article which was posted in the website of one of the leading dailies of Nepal? Why
let them import chickens when our local ones can be used thus giving a
boost for local chicken farmers and thus strengthening the economy of Nepal? What is happening here? Have I gone mad or am I the only one who sees the injustice and stupidity of such a decision?)" Imported
Chicken, ahhh, bird flu. Your brain, which clearly lacks any form of
processing, actually thought they were bringing in live chickens from
Brazil? LOL. How do you know they were not bringing processed chicken?
Your second point of why not use local chickens is valid and the only
thing notable in your ganalysis (ganauke + analysis). You missed the point, boy, with your peanut sized brain. The point is not about live or processed chickens (though just for the sake of argument I could ask you the same question "how do you know they aren't bringing live chickens?"). Wait I'm not even going to tell you the point and see if you can figure out what that was all about. You like to act like you are intelligent. Let's see if you can figure it out on your own. I will be generous and give you a year -- and yes you can ask your mommy :) Big chain stores like Walmart, KFC, Pizza-hut etc hurt small stores and restaurants and some communities in the US are trying to ban such chains from their areas because many people depend on such small stores for a living. I am not saying they are bad but they do have side-effects on the local community and I seriously hope there has been enough research done and backup plans made ready back in Nepal just in case something goes wrong" This is nothing new. We all know big business killing local stores but hey it's free market! I rest my case guys. What can I say after reading the above line? The sheer stupidity uggh. When you have the listening and reading skills to seriously debate, then come and we will debate this issue. GarbageGigo
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Posted on 11-22-09 6:16
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Hi blingbling, thanks for your comments. I do know that my analysis is by no way complete but I was merely showing where certain words and phrases have implied meanings. The article would have been much better if it had included some parts about what the Government is doing about such global expansions. You seriously cannot think that globalization will not have repercussions? I do not profess expertise in any field. My intention was simply to point out the way for further debate. The part about the chicken, which keeps coming up, is that the article made no further reference about it. That was my gripe with it. You see, you said that the chicken would be processed at places that followed international standards but the article made no mention of it. You are also assuming at this point that the above point will be followed. All of us are making assumptions. But we wouldn't have had to make any assumptions if the writer had mentioned something about the processing of chickens -- that is my only gripe with it. I really appreciate your coming forward and debating like an adult -- unlike some people who have to resort to personal attacks to make their point :)
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Posted on 11-23-09 3:05
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Some research about the subject matter would have been great ....
how about some other articles ??
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