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 Debunking Karan Singh’s misinformed comments on Nepal at Rajya Sabha
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Nepal Foreign Affairs Team (Kathmandu, Dec 7)–Dr. Karan Singh’s statement (click here to watch his full statement) in Indian parliament yesterday is full of factual errors and lies. Perceived as a person who’s knowledgeable about Nepal, Singh’s understanding of Nepal’s complexities and nuances appear to be very insufficient and based on a distorted view on Nepal’s situation, probably fed by a few sources who do not understand Nepal very well. Here is a point-by-point evaluation of his claims versus the facts.

1. The constitution alienates a large section of the population

Fact: The constitution was voted for by almost 90% of all members of Nepal’s Constituent Assembly, the elected body that was drafting the constitution. It has been approved by a large section of the population, including many Madhesis. A large majority of Madhesi elected representatives voted for the constitution.

2. Madhesis are 51% of Nepal’s population

Fact: Madhesis constitute less than 20% of Nepal’s population (see this factcheck article on the widely misreported Madhesi population statistics). Nepal is a diverse country and Nepal’s plain area, called the Terai/Madhes is home to various groups. The total number of people living in the Terai is about 50% of the country’s population, but it includes a large number of non-Madhesi people.

3. If the present constitution is continued, identity of Madhes is going to be destroyed

Fact: The constitution ensures a separate province for Madhesis, thus protecting their identity (although majority of Nepalese expressed in last elections that there are better ways to protect identity than through such ethnicity-based provinces). The constitution has provisions for multiple languages to be used in local bodies. No province has been created for other ethnic groups including Gurung, Magar, Tamang, etc. Madhesis are treated specially by the constitution, which many argue, is against the spirit of equality in democracy.

4. The eight-point agreement in 2007 with the government headed by GP Koirala has been jettisoned

Fact: Previous governments have made such agreements with many ethnic groups including Tharus, Limbus, Chure-Bhawar society and so on. Like explained in point 5 below, multiple groups live together and have competing claims. It has been a subject of long political debate in Nepal and so far there has been no consensus. The arrangement proposed in the current constitution is the only one that has received least opposition and was accepted by about 90% members of the Constituent Assembly. The constitution ensures a separate province for Madhesis, while other groups’ demands for similar provinces have not been respected. There are voices within Nepal who think this special treatment to a small section of Madhesi politicians is unfair for the rest of the groups who share these regions.

5. Madhesh has been sliced up in such a way that they are marginalised in all but one province

Fact: Nepal is a diverse country with more than 100 ethnic groups and languages (see this post for a statistics on some of these groups). The settlements in Nepal are mixed (many ethnic groups live close together) and it is extremely difficult to carve out provinces that is exclusive to each group, while still being fair to others. There are competing claims by different ethnic groups for provinces in the same areas. For example, in the Eastern Terai, Madhesis constitute less than 20% of the population but some Madhesi politicians (most of who have lost elections there) want it to be named as an exclusive Madhesi province. Other ethnic groups like Tharus, Limbus, Rajbamshis, Chure-Bhawar society also demand similar provisions in the same region. For over 8 years, this discussion has been going on in Nepal, including during two elections for the Constituent Assembly, that were dominated by this very debate. Finally, various parties agreed on the current federal solution that has the least amount of opposition. During the election of the Constituent Assembly, the agenda of ethnic-based provinces was defeated by huge margin. Similarly, the previous constituent assembly failed to draft a constitution because the ruling parties of that time wanted ethnicity based provinces while the opposition disagreed.

6. Proportional representation theory has not been accepted

Fact: This is wrong. Please see Article 50 of the current constitution. More details on this can be read in this article about the many factual errors in Indian External Affairs Minister’s speech.

7. In marriage, discrimination regarding citizens as far as citizens marrying Indians

Fact: This is also wrong. Please see Part 2, Article 10-15 of the current constitution. More details on this can be read in this article about the many factual errors in Indian External Affairs Minister’s speech.

8. Madhesis have been looked down in that country for many centuries

Fact: Madhesis have been treated specially in Nepal’s history. They used to be part of the Royal court in Kathmandu. Today, several Madhesi groups (like Dalits) are among the most backward and disadvantaged in Nepal. At the same time, several other Madhesi groups (like Madhesi Brahmins, Kayasthas, Rajputs) are ahead of all other ethnic groups in Nepal in terms of Human Development Index (HDI), education, wealth, access to government services and opportunities. Madhesi is not a single homogeneous population group.

9. The current constitution goes back on the provisions made in the interim constitution

Fact: The current constitution is drafted by an elected Constituent Assembly that was sovereign. The Assembly was elected to replace the interim constitution based on the popular will expressed through elections. Current constitution ensures more progressive provisions including for language, women and minorities. It includes affirmative action provisions for additional groups like disabled and poor, which the interim constitution lacked. The current constitution ensures federalism, and a separate province for Madhesis. which the interim constitution did not have.

- See more at: http://nepalforeignaffairs.com/debunking-karan-singhs-misinformed-comments-on-nepal-at-rajya-sabha/#sthash.aG27wvV2.dpuf
 
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Very well put argument. Thanks for sharing.
 
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I too saw his speech full of lies. Is there a way we can share the link? I know on Sunday ( 12/6) he had met madhesi leaders and on Monday(12/7) he made such speech.
 
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The fact is we've been treating madhesi brothers bad all the way from the day I was kid. I grew up in Kathmandu, and we always looked down at madhesi brothers. Our so called people from Kathmandu never respectfully treated them and this attempt to not hear their demands at political level is just a continuation of same ideology.
If you really look at Karan Singh with your anti-india sentiments, then nobody can help you. There are actually half of the politicians in Indian cabinet loves Nepal. Modi is just a bad dream that's happening to us. Half of my family live in Delhi, and my ancestors born in Nepal fought historic battles against intruders. Having said that, I have no guilt saying how peaceful and nice they are out there in sikkim once we claimed was our land. I'm happy for them that they're not crap and messed up like us.
We're also forgetting that how all of a sudden, bootlicking leaders grew their balls and ranting patriotism.
Do we really think these useless rants gonna feed citizens, fulfill their basic necessities? If sooner they don't come to a decision, people start dying because of lousy SOB leaders we've here in seats. I'm not gonna forget those bootlicking bastards no matter how good they sound now. They're just talking, not doing anything or easing up to make ppls daily needs fulfilled. Due to the arrogance and inability to handle foreign and domestic issues, any of the government that rule or will rule Nepal are responsible for pushing us back into medieval era.
Their media chains are relaying useless fake news of hope. They are saying we're getting this and that fuel from China, bangladesh etc. but reality is far from that. Hope keeps dying one alive, I've read that story when I was a kid and this fcking government is playing the same trick. These select bastards have access to fuel and gas all the time. They smuggle it and they don't care about people.

My suggestion to polical leaders of Nepal:
You dirtbags have been bootlickers for centuries. Just keep that instinct of yours, one more time lick their boots, and have the constant flow of regular commodities imported to the country and ease people's life. I personally don't need your fake patriotism, hell with it when someone you love is dying without medicines. These are all height of fakeries. People just want to have access to basic needs and be happy. You fckers are making people suffer. Modi was all welcomed and praised but we all know what irked him. You fcking insolent leaders suddenly changed the tone after robbing country for more than 6-7 years off it's resources. You fckers are now in the process of announcing electricity emergency. Is that what nepalese people deserve?

Few suggestions for you fckers:
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-amend the constitution if needed( I'm not gonna buy that Oli shit - the son-in-law from India can't be granted citizenship whereas in reality your cockroaches were handing out citizenships like biscuits to those fckers anyway) Just go and fcking amend the constitution. If an indian daughter-in-law can be granted citizenship based on her Nepalese husband, do the same thing other way. It's just a paper, in reality we all know what happens.

-go ahead, start bootlicking and if that helps people suffer less, you will be more patriotic than you jumping in the stage and vomitting words of nothingness.

-stop acting like you are good, coz we know you are all hellbent notorious corrupt bastards and one or two words against india doesn't make you look good.


 


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