Staying in America fighting for democracy in Nepal is like:

People working for Aramani (or insert any brand name here), fighting for homeless people's right to wear Aramani.

Sitting in an armoured protected vehicle in the middle of a busy street and daring the police to fire indiscriminately.

Snurp I have seen the democracy in Nepal and it did NO GOOD. That's why I am critisizing the attempts to reinstate the same state of chaos AGAIN.

Snurp, you're supporting your family and that's very commendable. They're probably doing ok with your support unlike the rest of the common people who don't have money flowing in. Your family in Nepal including the other common people deserve to live peacefully without having to deal with the uncertainties of the kursi tana taan as seen in the last decade. Also you don't want to subject them to the wrath of the King nor the Maoists.

As you have said your grassroot project is to take care of your family and yourself. So don't disguise that as a fight for the democracy of Nepal. Thank you.

Ok Pornstars, what is the problem, why should people who love democracy leave for Nepal? I think those who are for autocratic rule and think Nepalese do not deserve democracy should go back to Nepal and live there. And like someone else said, you guys would probably love to live under Fiedel Castro or Kim Ill Sung. Then you will have your money where your mouth is.

Those who treasure democracy should stay where there is democracy.

sardarsing, looks like you are obsessed about porn. I hope you will grow up sometime.

When you grow up you will note that I've repeatedly said that I don't support king G.
You definitely are one of the supporters of democracy who is either too narrowminded or they are so blinded by their blind faith, that they lash out at anyone who doesn't support them as being King G's chamcha.

Staying in America fighting for democracy in Nepal is like sardarsing's ideals of waching tons of porn and whacking off to them in his american apartment, and being obsessed with being Nepal's first porn star. That's not going to happen, remember that singer guy who's in jail right now?

So you don't want the KING, MAOIST, ARMY or EVEN DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM..but you want the goodwill of the COMMON NEPALIS that ONLY YOU HAVE SEEN and WORKED WITH and lived for hmmm how many years????

FAIR ENOUGH! so the question still begs....WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

Snurp, politics is not mathematics where you have the right answer for everything. But you do know what is NOT the right answer. We have seen how multi party democracy set forth a downward spiral in Nepal in the last decade. So that cannot be the solution.

It's like HIV/AIDS, you don't really have a solution yet, but you know you don't want to be having unprotected sex. Last time Nepalis had sex with democracy they got screwed and got STD. Now they might get HIV which is uncurable.

Its more like Nepal was being humped by a HIV Royals for hundreds of years, and the medicines were given at different times, in 1990 people thought medicine for headache will do, so after 15 years, the HIV took over again. The solution is to take out the HIV infested Royals out of Nepal so that the White Blood Cells and Red Blood Cells can fight the disease themselves.

A FBCN giving a lecture about Nepali society is so dumb.

If you were well informed you would know that there is no cure for HIV/AIDS yet. But you want to subject the common Nepali who wants peace and stability, as your Guinea Pigs to see if your medicine is going to work, then stop disguising your selfish egotism as your concern for Nepal. They are human beings, don't treat them as Guinea Pigs in your political theories and exprements and ideals. Especially when we have already seen how democracy worked in Nepal during the past decade.

In any case, it is probably better for Nepal to have one source of HIV the King than to have hundreds of other Politicians. At least with one source of HIV, you know who not to f_ck with. With 100's of politicans with HIV, it won't take long for the whole society to start being affected with HIV.

Saroj,
You have hit the nail on the head.Politics is not mathematics that has outright solution. Hence, the need to work towards it constantly even more. You don't give up just because it seems that it has no solution. Or else, If you were well informed, there wouldn't be thousands of labs worldwide trying to find the ultimate cure for it would they? Or would you say to them, you can't take care of HIV by not being in africa? :P

On the other hand, IF YOU WERE WELL INFORMED about HIV, now that you have drawn a parallel, MAGIC JOHNSON is a living example of HIV/AIDS and seems to be healthier each day. The point being, We are very near to finding a solution. Just because it seems unlikely that a vaccine failed several times in the past, you don't let HIV take over you, or would you?

Now about your fighting for democracy from abroad...like a person in another forum noted,just like the people who are mad about girija and maoists and want to wipe them out do not want to go to nepal and join the army, noone has to go to nepal and sacrifice their head just to prove that point that they are concerned about it. That would be stupidity. If KingG and his ROYAL army allowed such peaceful protests, I am sure there would be. Now if you'd read the news recently, your common people who are fighting for survival, maoist victims who are all but demanding food taht has been decayed in kadhya sasthan, were used brutal force to end the strike. So you go figure, mr omniscient :)

Snurp, after you asked me for the solution, I'm glad I was able to show you that politics does not have an outright answer. It is good that you understand that now.

Your fail to read my point and choose to wander around the periphery about HIV. My point is that multi party democracy has already been tried in Nepal, and it did not work. It would be stupid of you to keep on trying the same medicine again if you know it did not work before.

In any case snurps I enjoyed conversing with you. I think we've reached a point where we agree to disagree, because I'm not a big fan of repeating. I'm just tired of hearing people repeat how there is autocracy in Nepal. I have no doubt about it. My take is that it's better than the multi party democracy in Nepal's perspective - knowing what kind of politicians are in Nepal. Instead of one headed snake you're supporting a Medusa.

Instead of being concerned about the common people of Nepal, you're more concerned with your ego in fighting for the so called democratic ideals that you experience in the country you are. Those are commendable thoughts but think about it practically. How is your democratic ideals going to permeate the Nepali society? How is it going to benefit the common people? You're already said that right now you are working your ass off supporting yourself and your family. Yes you care about your family which is great. But Nepal is about the common people. You have to try to choose the best option for the common people if you are trying to do any good for your country. Make sure thousands of them don't go homeless or hungry or lose their lives while you enjoy mouthing off your ideals protected in a foreign land.

With this I take leave from this thread. Snurp please feel free to put in some serious thoughts in replying and re-repeating your previous statements. This was real entertaining mate.

Saroj;

" My point is that multi party democracy has already been tried in Nepal, and it did not work."

- That is a blatant lie. Just cause there were some (allegedly) corrupt leaders doesn't mean multi-party democracy failed. It was good. It was doing good. And had there been no meddling from the extreme right, a pro-people solution would have emerged to the current crisis as well.

But multi-party democracy was NOT a failure in Nepal. Anyone who says that is lying.

So my family is not common people?

I too have enjoyed discussing with you mate, cause in the end we all support the same thing just have different views. You call mouthing off from a protected foreign land, and I wonder what exactly are you doing from EUROPE posting in sajha forum. OH I SEE! YOU ARE FOR THE ONLY PRACTICAL VOICE FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE :).

In the 21st century, if we the socalled educated mass succumb to the dictatorial rule, mind you the same dictatorial rule that has plundered us for centuries, and come to accept that it is better than 15 years of failed democracy, then I have nothing to say.

EXCEPT THAT I'd rather choose garden snakes than a KING COBRA! And unwanted garden snakes can be gotten rid of without the fear of their bites. and if you believe KING COBRA will put food and clothes for the common guinea pigs,oh well, your sadistic entertainment has just started!

Multiparty democracy did not only fail, it gave birth to Maoism in Nepal. I am on the same boat as is Saroj. KG has asked for 3 years, let?s give him that. If he fails to bring anything good, or if he does bring good but fails to restore democracy, then we can go about demonstrating in DC, Kathmandu, and where not. I would even join the rally. I also think democracy is the best political system. But at this time, there are no good democratic leaders in Nepal. Giving those corrupt politicians to continue would be to strengthen Maoists who we know are nothing but opportunist terrorists, would be to let more people get killed mercilessly, and most likely would be to let Indian military intervene and consequently would be to let Nepal be another Sikkim, or at least Bhutan. There hasn?t been a sudden influx of highly talented leaders in Nepal recently who can negotiate with Maoists and improve the situation of Nepal; so there?s Let?s be real; it will again be the same corrupt, never learning leaders that will continue to lead if somehow KG steps down. So, as much as I am against KG, I would not hesitate to let him lead for 3 years that he has asked for, and see what he?s got to bring to the table. If that doesn?t work, then we?ll see; So Poonte, Snurp, and Nepe, stop wasting your time participating in useless rallies and go ahead and plan for Gana-andolan after three years. I will join you guys then.

We all know it was not a just a political tussle between KG and the corrupt democratic leaders that KG won and he ruled. There were Maoists, and many problems that it had dragged. It was going to flush the country and many Nepalese down the drain. So KG stepped in. I think many people who are discussing in this topic fail to see the biggest threat, the Maoists. Let?s not forget that their presence is what brought this political turmoil. Otherwise, it is a very simple theory for anyone to understand and conclude that democracy is better than absolute monarchy.

Saroj said:
'You have to try to choose the best option for the common people if you are trying to do any good for your country.'

The same old logic that represents your undeterred faithfulness to King Gyanendra. how could you assert that the best option for the common people is dicatorship? Why don't you see the extinction of herdetary rule as a real practical solution to the existing problem, if you have so much love for the countrymen.
BTW Saroj bro, once some while ago I had asked you if you had ever seen a doko. Did you give me the answer man?

I was done with the discussion with honorable snurp but am back to answer newuser that I don't want to discuss anything with stupid moronic one track minds who cannot rise up from thier narrow minded beliefs that anyone who does not support democracy is King G's supporter.

I don't support sacrificing the common people of Nepal for your revolution that you're fighting safely tucked away from any harm.

By the way I know how to make a doko using bamboo. Your supporting the corrupt politicians to return to politics, hiding under your anonymity in a democratic country is like trying to carry water in your doko. So my friend do you see what a doko is? It's not a good idea to try to carry water in it.

multiparty democracy did not only fail, it gave birth to Maoism in Nepal.


- That is another blatant, blatant lie and piece of propaganda. Really though, how did multiparty democracy give birth to Maoism in Nepal?

'I don't want to discuss anything with stupid moronic one track minds who cannot rise up from thier narrow minded beliefs that anyone who does not support democracy is King G's supporter. '

Saroj le marne gari hasayo. Read your sentence once again and juxtapose the clauses of your structure bearing in mind the undemocratic moves taken by your Majesty. YOu sound like 'maile tanna jaad dhokchhu, tara ma jadya hoina' When the criticism of the King worries you so much and you say that he is the best option(when he is not) , why can't you submit that you are a real devotee of Gyanendra? If not, why can't you accept the fact that one single political force cannot eradicate the other two political forces in Nepal. Why do you taunt me with lowly adjectives when I emphasize that the solution rests on 3 parties compromising for a balanced equation of power sharing? Now don't act as if you do not stand for KG having all the powers and dictating all Nepalese just like he is doing to you and your vicinity.

'Your supporting the corrupt politicians to return to politics'
Where did I say that duhh? Don't make blind and silly allegations mate . I have no where supported the corrupt politicians to return to politics. Try to find any of my postings that have been inclined or lenient at the corrupt politicians before making such an absurd comment. Let me challenge you to prove your statement if you think you are accountable to the comments that you make in sajha.

'By the way I know how to make a doko using bamboo.'
Very nice if you knew. Good that such a learned and noble man knows the forgotten craft. I hope this is not another false description of your vicissitude. But here you are,if this is a truth, you possess one more knowledge than this stupid moron because I don't know how to make a doko.

'hiding under your anonymity in a democratic country is like trying to carry water in your doko'
Yeh yeh, I used to carry water in my doko.I still do that yar. For I am a stupid moronic one track mind.As far as anonymity is related, why are you so concerned about knowing my name ? I am very openly doing something that is restricting the dictator from doing serious crimes against humanity in Nepal so far. If Gyanendra is fearful of any Nepalese, than it must be one of me. Be assured- he knows my name or at least he has heard my name. So why should I bother to identify myself to one of his crooks? Why should I deal with the servant when his boss knows me?

Hello people forget your lousy Peace and Stability.

Nepal needs unity, contribution, support, and responsibility and Nepali patriotism. B.P Koirala and Girija almost physically sell Nepal to India, but morally they already sold Nepal to India.

Around the world, Nepalese corrupt crooks and criminal are creaming and show street demonstration about peace, freedom, democracy and human rights while those same Nepalese crooks are directly involving in all kind of corruption and criminal activities.

Those Nepalese crooks go to foreign countries and request for political Asylums. Those crooks show up as Leaders of Nepalese social organizations. Those crooks stand as human rights activists and Leader of Nepali political leader. Those crooks present themselves as a representative of Nepal. Those crooks called themselves as a Nepali Ambassador of Nepal.

Those Nepalese crooks families live in foreign lands and tell Nepalese how to run Nepal while those crooks families and relatives are currently running and ruling Nepal.

What the hell you think people?

Gyan Bdr Shah just sold KALAPANI to India, didn't you hear??