Nepe,

I was strongly talking about the "separate constituencies " but I needed to be more elaborative on consequences of some fractional episodes. I would however second you about our contribution on fueling the Madhes movement, I still remember calling some black dudes "Bhaiya and Desi". I never called them Madesi. I think its majority of the people who called "madisey bhaiya" to tarkari wala.  Who can forget "Hijo aajaka kura by Santosh pant' got hype and rooted due to episodes where in some character used to play "tarkariwala madesi bhaiya" " Deepakraaj gir and Deepa niraula" came to lime light because of " Rambilash and Dhaniya" character.

From this, we can easily say how discriminatory were we ( I guess, still we are because we are habituated). My point here is " Discrimination in Nepal is not due to geography and races but due to social hierarchy and wealthiness". What I am trying to say here is the movement articulating certain groups and certain geography can never be good. We were never in need of that. My point is Maoist used the issue just for their political benefit and they did it in a very wrong way.

Maoist has set an ideal screen from where people are getting fractional movement and violence as way to energize themselves. You can take an example of Terai.

My biggest question now is " what the government led by maoist gonna do with BABBAN SINGH?". Do you think they will and is it right to punish him? According to him, he too fought for some kind of freedom and he proved he from the votes he garnered.
I have seen many activist  (Maoist). They usually say " People voice was not heard and they got to fight, they got to  kill to get attraction, they got to terrorize to down the government...................whatever they did.  they say " for people".
Believe it or not " 50% of votes casted for maoist was due to FEAR FACTOR either it be the same day and before's gunpoint or long term "Bhat and Chanda atanka".
NEPE, I am not trying to blame you but most of the time we (Country) were suffering from this insurgency, you were JUST THE VISITOR to the country and were there to see some VIPs ( as you mentioned in one of the talk regarding Rishi Dhamala).

NEPE, its not fair. You didn't answer my previous issue. I expected those from you and I mean only from you ( not from kids like ELUSIVE CAT, common son get ready for the bed and drink some cup of warm milk and get the hell out of here). I don't  with kids.

NEPE, I am not opposing you personally. I respect you for whatever you have achieved on your honesty and hard work but just can't go with the ideology you are favoring. Common Nepe, an educated ( Ideal ?) like you are behaving like a tamed militia.
I also would like to talk to you regarding "Maoist" here in Sajha and I mean it "In a thread".

Regards,

NS

Nepe ko answer diney strength nai chaina. He himself is dillusional. He is the biggest bigot you will ever find in America.

to all maoist supporters

if you dont have a courage to come up and answer the question, i have something special for you to boost you up.

Come close, take this and i am sure you will get that strength

NS-jyu,

 

I really appreciate your gentle style, tough questions and also your interest to see that I am not promoting the wrong party and ideology.

 

I can assure you that I have never promoted the wrong ideology and practice of Maoist. What I have been promoting about Maoist all along is the POSSIBILITY that this party can be CONVERTED into a DEMOCRATIC party and Nepal can benefit from it’s REVOLUTIONARY ZEAL for CHANGE.

 

Whether I was right or wrong is yet to be proven fully. Yet, I can fairly certainly say that it does look like I might be right.

 

Now the tough question is- what happens, or rather what should happen, to the past wrongdoings of Maoist ?

 

I think this question is so unanswered it actually frustrates everybody and I believe all the Maoist bashing, hatred and cynicism that we see in Sajha and elsewhere actually is a direct or indirect expression of that frustration. So I think this is very important question and everybody should raise this question with priority.

 

Unfortunately, no civil society organization is talking about this yet. I am reading post-election press releases and reactions of several organization and individuals and am deeply disappointed to find nobody is talking about this critical issue. Everybody is busy congratulating Maoist and cautioning them to fulfill their promises. Nobody is uttering a single word about what to do with the past wrongdoing of Maoist.

 

The only organization that I know did not miss this issue is “North American Network for Democratic Republic of Nepal (NANDRON)”

 

“..We also urge the government to establish a Peace and Justice Commission to investigate human rights abuses during the era of insurgency and begin a countrywide process of justice and healing.”

http://www.nepalipost.com/index/englishnews.php?&nid=5712

 

(Disclaimer: I am associated with NANDRON. So this was also for the publicity of the organization :-) )

 

NS-jyu, I hope this small note and reference gives you some idea about what I personally think about the issue. I do have some more and specific ideas regarding how we should deal with the issue. I will be happy to share them if the discussion goes to that direction.

 

Now I would like to reply to some interesting questions you have asked.

 

1. Baban Singh

 

This indeed is a complex case now. However, as you can also sense from the above discussion, I am for justice to prevail. He should be brought to justice and the victim’s and their families should get the justice. The most important thing is that the victims and their families should feel that they got their justice. Then we are free to do anything, any compromise, any deal.

 

What shall happen ? I am as anxious as you are. Let’s wait and see what happens.

 

2. Maoist vote

 

NS-jyu, I do not know what do you include in the “fear factor” you talked about. If you are talking about “forced vote against the voter’s will” due to threat and intimidation, then I think 50% would be way too exaggerated number.

 

If I go by the review/reaction made by some trustworthy NC leaders like Narahari Acharya, this kind of forced vote against voter’s will accounts for very small percentage (Narahari Achayra has not mentioned the numbers or even the exact category, however from the language and tone of his and many other people’s review seem to be claiming the “intimidated” votes ranging somewhere between 5-20%). We will need some scientific survey to find out how people actually voted (I hope some media and NGO might do that like they have been doing in the past). However, I myself think that, by and large, the vote reflects the free will voting of Nepali voters. What more is that I think this was the election in which the voters thought very long and hard before casting their vote. Therefore this is very well thought out voting and a reflection of maturity and intellect of Nepali people. This kind of thing never happened before. Therefore I am pissed when I see people making mockery of how Nepali voters voted this time. I think the mockery itself is a mockery and a reflection of our disconnection with Nepal and Nepalis.

 

Even if 50% votes really were not genuine Maoist vote for this or that reason, Maoist got enough mandate of people, particularly if we also apply the same measuring stick to measure the genuineness of other parties’ votes.

 

So, all in all, I think Nepali people really and genuinely gave Maoists their mandate to bring all the changes Maoists have been promising.

 

3. Sajha Maoists

 

I have learned that anonymous debate where egos run high must not be taken seriously. So I really do not follow all the debate that goes in Kurakani to know and judge all political posters. Yet, my overall impression is that people are just sharing their own views, not official Maoist views. I am yet to come across Maoist imposters who are well versed in Maoist history, thinking and vision. But as I said, I do not follow all the debates. So I might be missing some.

 

4. Misc.

 

NS-jyu, you probably have now enough idea about the political person that I am. I am an ordinary person just like anybody else with slightly greater interest in closely following what goes on with our country. Call it a hobby. That is all.

 

By the way, the VIPs that I said I met in Kathmandu were Ramraja Prasad Singh, Khagendra Sangraula, Krishna Pahadi and Gagan Thapa, all republican icons and some old friends. I just fondly called them VIPs, that’s all.

 

I will stop here. I hope I answered some of your questions and curiosities as honestly as I could. Thank you once again for your interest and specially for your wholesome style of engagement. Thank you.

 

Nepe

Nepe Jiyu,

Thank you for you response. I really appreciate it.

Now, back to the same issues.

Babban singh:

You said, he should be brought under custody of jurisdiction. What about comrade Prachanda? who was so cheerfully mentioning how he learn to make bombs/explosive from people trained by Ram Raja Prasad singh and later transfer the technology to so called PLA (which constitutes majority of the people from 12-15 age group. and also remember those who are 20-21 now were also in the same group when Maoist insurgency started)


Maoists Vote:
I think you get me other way here or might be I couldn't made myself clear. I have mentioned about "Bhat and Chanda aatanka". People voted them because majority of people want to get rid of everyday suffering and violence. I can justify why Prachanda won in KTM-10. I have spent few nights in lulu, thaiba and few vdcs of lalitpur and panga VDC of Kritipur. VILLAGES, FEW KM FROM RING ROAD, WERE EQUALLY AFFECTED BY MAOIST INSURGENCY AS REST OF THE NEPAL WAS.
Majority of Nepali voters are not intellectual and neither have interest in politics. If I were a typical Nepali, I would have turned into NC. I am atypical in this sense because i refrained from supporting the ideology that my parents/relatives/ friends belong to. My point here was those people who were simply voters of other political parties and had no strong instance and version of certain ideology voted maoist to get rid of all those shits that Maoist cadres have been impregnating in their daily life of. I would say people surrendered to Maoist. Anyone would do that who have experience of Nepali life before and  after 1999-2000. People were fade up with day to day news of bombarding and killings. Army killed this many, Maoists killed this many, 5 schools put into fire, school bus burnt, 35 people killed in Maadi..............list goes on NEPE and you might forget but nepali people with not forget the episodes  of this hatred for lives.......


Don't say army also killed. Yes, they did. I am talking about the fear factor of "MAOIST INSURGENCY" and they started it.

I respect you feelings for stability in the country. Even I wasn't opposite to bringing Maoist into mainstream politics. Its all over. But the way Maoist are still continuing their practice, I am not assured of peaceful country.
Maoists supremos are saying that " by voting maoist, people approved YCL" and YCL are still running the "KANGAROO court" (refer to the news in of may 1, I guess one assistant worker was brutally beaten up in bhandara chitwan).
I can't be assured. I have no expectations from maoists because I don't from murderer. They are simply murderer. They are just the shit of terror.
I admit it here. I can't even speak out freely about this matter in Public because how it comes to survive from "BARGIYA SATRU KO SAFAYA".

Revolutionaries of 21st century takes your life just because you stood against them? holy shit! and this is not the single case.

I want you guys, who are supporting Maoist and have expectations from them, to bring them down to politics. A system of politics where people will have rights for their life (a greatest basic rights, I mean it for humane may not apply for Maoist). A system where Prachanda will also face the same custody as Babban and Upendra do but not escape out by saying " Upendra and We have acting understanding" or MOU.

God save my COUNTRY AND PEOPLE from demon's rule!

NS-jyu,

 

When it comes to looking at the problem, I think we both have similar observation. We both know that both Maoists and those who run the governments have committed atrocities and we both are saying that all victims of all atrocities must get their justice.

 

When it comes to choosing a solution, or finding the way to provide justice to the victims of atrocities, I do not know what your ideas are, but I think we might not have very different ideas. Because there aren’t very many choices.

 

Before this question becomes abstract and imaginary, let’s make it real by the question you asked.

 

What about Prachanda ?

 

Let’s make it more real by asking this: what did GP Koirala intend to do with Prachanda when he negotiated the peace deal ? Or what are position of various political parties and civil societies regarding your question ?

 

If you have followed the 25-points Comprehensive Peace Treaty between Nepal government and Maoist (November 2006) and a general support of all parties to it, you should have found that GP Koirala actually paved a way to give amnesty to Maoists by agreeing to a form a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” which is meant to find the truth but not punish anybody.

 

Here is that particular article from the treaty:

 

5.2.5. Both sides agree to constitute a High-level Truth and

Reconciliation Commission through the mutual agreement in

order to investigate truth about those who have seriously

violated human rights and those who were involved in crimes

against humanity in course of the war and to create an

environment for reconciliations in the society.

 

Full text of the treaty:

http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF/db900SID/VBOL-6VSHK8?OpenDocument

 

This is where things stand. Now, am I satisfied with it ? Absolutely not. What do I want ? Before saying that, let’s finish the story of the above agreement. Why did GP Koirala and all other leaders agreed to this ‘find the truth but reconcile’ and not ‘find the culprit and punish’ resolution ?

 

Those who were not in the government at any time could have chosen otherwise, but they simply did not bother. However, those who were in the government during the insurgency period certainly wanted to save themselves from being punished for the atrocities carried out by government’s security forces throughout their mobilization. Sher Bahadur Deuba, Khum Bahadur Khadka, GP Koirala, Surya Bahadur Thapa, Lokendra Bahadur Chand, Gyanendra Shah, Kamal Thapa and others left who run the government or defense and home ministry are directly responsible for all the war crimes carried out by Nepal police, Armed police and Royal Nepal Army and they could be and should be prosecuted. Simple as that.

 

That is the reason why they are inclined to reward amnesty to Maoist.

 

Kura yesto chha.

 

Now, what do I want ? I have shared my view in couple of different forum. Basically, I am against amnesty and I am for keeping the door of the court of law open  for the victims and their families for next 25 years or more. And of course I am for compensation for all victims and social measures campain for for social reconciliation and healing. That was also our point in the press release of NANDRON I shared earlier.

 

This much this time. I will talk about other issues later.

 

Thank you once again for your inputs and questions, NS-jyu.

 

Nepe

 

 

Just a few quick comments on additional issues raised by NS-jyu..

 

1. NC represents typical (mainstream) Nepali/Nepal ?

 

If a relatively financially secure Pahadi high caste male is what a typical Nepali is, then NC probably represents a typical Nepali/Nepal. Otherwise it does not.

 

Let’s put things in number. When Maoists were away from the scene, NC used to get around 30-35% of the total votes in general elections. That means about 65-70% voters did not identify with NC. And that means NC certainly did not represent typical Nepali and Nepal.

 

That was when Maoists were absent. Now when Maoists are in the scene we all know how things are.

 

2. Voters surrendered to Maoists

 

It depends on how you describe things. Otherwise, as one columnist had written in Kantipur recently, people besieged Maoist and imprisoned them into democracy ! Something to get mesmerized and be proud of Nepali voters’ intellect and wisdom, as I emphasized ealier.

 

3. YCL

 

I think Prachanda is wrong to refuse to dissolve YCL. However, he is right to demand that other parties also need to agree to dissolve their so-called ‘sister organizations’.

 

I am of the opinion that one of the institutional reforms of our public institutions and political parties is to make it illegal for political parties to extend their organ to non-political institutions. And I think it can be done. All it needs is strong voice of civil societies and the public against political invasion of public institutions by political parties and of course co-operation from political parties.

 

4. Kangaroo Courts

 

I think what we hear about is just some transitional remnants of the old parallel Maoist ‘satta’. They will be irrelevant and disappear once Maoist become the new ‘satta’ and starts running it.

 

Although it was inappropriate and rightly criticized by the government, media and civil societies, I have heard quite different stories about these Kangaroo courts. I was shocked to read one news about Kollywood calling YCL to settle a dispute !

 

So I am little skeptic about the eradication of Kangaroo courts as long as YCL exists.

 

However, since I sense that sooner or later YCL is going to be a burden rather than help to Maoist in power, I hope YCL era will be over.

 

Nepe