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 Should Prostitution be legalised in Nepal ?
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Sayami,
You are losing all the respect you have been gaining in this forum. Be aware next time you visit a brothel you might find your own relatives there (I'm putting it in an easy way for you so that you don't choke). Will it ring a bell then?
 
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The next time sayami goes to a brothel, he will find his gf phucking his dad! hahaha
 
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since its a secular state and a free country, definitely yes!
its just stupid to make it illegal
 
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It is hardly spoken or legel but it is well practiced from White House to Holy churches in America. For example Jimmy Schwaggert was caught red hand with a prostitute in a hotel and Boris Baker had produced a daughter from a unknown woman in hotel and there are just many examples. There are many teen aged girls playing Brooks Shields`s role question is why people do it even it is illegel risking their fame for lifetime. It is billion dollar business around the world and no proper tax is raised from this service industry.
Not only in this matter, Many people in Sajha will not agree with me, I know it. In the begining I was not different either. But living 23 years between east and west, I see things now different. I have not seen a single country where the prostitution is illegal in law and practice. It is all moon light business.It is only written somewhere in books. So why should we try this centuries old experiment which failed. Better you legalise it and give a proper liscence to run this business and be in control of the government.....

GERMANY.
Prostitution is legal. In germany all prostitutes are registered like any other employee at normal company. They get insurances, all social benifts and they get pensions when they retire and they pay taxes.So there is no hide and catch business there. Everything is transparent. All prostitutes have to have certain health check up card that they are under tatal control of transmitting diseases through body contacts.

Thailand: It is a good example for many of our Sajha friends. Many nepalese who used to go to Thailand are today suffering from AIDS in Kathmandu. In Thailand Prostitution is not legal. It is against the law. But in practice it looks completely different. Bangkok is the LAS VEGAS for sex. It is still illegal.

So think now what is better.....
 
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Instead of fighting real crime
Frequently I am asked, "What countries have legal prostitution?"
It would be easier to ask which countries is it illegal in, that would be a very short list, with mainly the U.S. were consenting adult sexual rights are denied.
Prostitution is LEGAL (with some restrictions that aren't that bad) in Canada, most all of Europe including England, France, Wales, Denmark, etc., most of South America including most of Mexico (often in special zones), Israel (Tel Aviv known as the brothel capital of the world), Australia, and many other countries. It is either legal or very tolerated in most all of Asia and even Iran has "temporary wives" which can be for only a few hours! New Zealand passed in 2003 one of the most comprehensive decriminalization acts which even made street hookers legal which is causing many concerns. I do NOT support public nuisance street hookers being legal unless in special zones. But PRIVATE consenting adult sexwork should be legal as it is in most of the world except the U.S.
As long as prostitution is kept illegal, and women are persecuted for acts which harm no one, prostitute women will be subject to brutality at the hands of misogynists and moralists -- they are, arguably, the same group. And when prostitutes are treated as second class citizens, and in extreme cases, as less than human, then all women who dare to step out of their social constructs will be labeled as whores and treated accordingly. For these reasons, the rights of all women are contingent upon the rights accorded to the most vulnerable women. - From Dr. Jocelyn Elders: March 1997 International Prostitution Conference highlights: Keynote speaker was Dr. Jocelyn Elders. Elders was surgeon general until President. Clinton fired her for supporting masturbation. Elders called for prostitution to be decriminalized. Dr. Elders has also said: "We say that [hookers] are selling their bodies, but how is that different from athletes? They're selling their bodies. Models? They're selling their bodies. Actors? They're selling their bodies." See http://www.lpt.com/

Australia
Prostitution itself is legal but laws very in different states regarding street soliciting and brothels. See Australian Prostitution Legal With Mostly Reasonable Restrictions

New Zealand
The Prostitution Reform Act 2003 made ALL adult prostitution and brothels a legal occupation in New Zealand but may have too many restrictions on brothels. In fact the government has online their "Brothel Operator Certificates." There are reasonable health and safety requirements such as using condoms, local bylaws can restrict signage and brothel locations, and a provision to outlaw pimping. The entire Act is at http://www.sexinnz.co.nz/news2.htm#REFORM%20ACT%202003

The Accident Compensation Corporation (like our Workers Compensation) says," Both prostitutes and brothels will come under the ACC classification for "personal services not elsewhere classified" which is the category that also covers massage parlours. This classification falls within the broader Levy Risk Group 690, Personal and Other Services – Medium Risk Group.

ACC will cover the normal range of injuries, as it does already. Cover is unlikely to be available for sex workers who become pregnant in the course of their employment as this would not be considered a personal injury under the Injury Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Compensation Act 2001. But it may be available for a sexually transmitted infection if the tests are met that are set out in Section 30 IPRC Act 2001 for work-related gradual process, disease or infection."

However there is great concern that it also decriminalized street hookers and the legal situation is unclear. Section 14 of the Act allows local governments to make bylaws "regulating the location of brothels of any scale, but not extending to other businesses of prostitution." It was hoped that by making brothels legal women would choose to work from their own homes (as allowed as home business in zoning rules) and get off the streets. But after the Reform Act there are still many street hookers which it seems can't be restricted under the Act.

The Philippines is a good Asian example, Technically prostitution is illegal but when it had U.S. military bases there was such a huge demand by U.S. military men for sex, it flourished. But to be politically correct, bargirls are "Customer Relations officers". They are required to have weekly STD checkups and quarterly HIV tests! But officially there are no barfines or sexworkers, just Guest Relationship Officers who are bargirls that have to carry government issued ID badges. Sexwork is an very big industry and supports many people especially in smaller cities like Angeles. Unless it involves children there is no enforcement and no legal risk for the bargirls or their customers. It's just like secondary wives in much of Asia. It is simply accepted but often not publicly acknowledged.

And for $20-$30 barfine and maybe a $10 tip you have a very attractive happy bargirl who enthusiastically goes to your hotel for the night and is very happy with the arrangement. But that $40 cost in PI is equivalent to perhaps $400 in purchasing value in the U.S. since food, housing and all living costs are so much higher. So it is unfair to compare rates of American providers, living here with Asian providers. On the other hand it makes the travel costs very worthwhile, not only in cost but in attitudes of Asian vs. U.S. providers without worry about legal problems.

Thailand has a very similar situation and has been known since the Vietnam war days as one of the best places in the world to go for great sexuality. For centuries brothels have just been an accepted part of the culture. Most Thai men got their first sexual education and experience in the local brothel. When sexwork became so popular when the U.S. military enjoyed their rest and relaxation stops in ports, for public relations purposes, Thailand made it officially illegal due to Western pressure, but the Entertainment Places Act and "special services" exempted most all of the sexwork for the military or tourists since it brings in so much cash. Consenting adult prostitution is illegal only officially in Thailand, not in practice.

Canada is a closer example of few legal problems and more equal purchasing power. The typical $CAN200/hr cost for 1 hour of full service with no silly tips expected is a bargain for U.S. customers since this is about $US170. One reason prices are so reasonable compared to the U.S. is there is no legal risk and many more women choose sexwork as a profession for the right reasons and enjoy it. Canada (as in most of the world) has mostly honest sexworkers vs mostly scams, rip offs or much higher priced providers in the U.S. with the huge unmet demand for natural sexuality but fewer women willing to take the legal risks. More women get into sex work for the right reasons as a legitimate choice, when you don't have the legal risks of the U.S. Prostitution has always been legal in Canada, but its limited by the 1850 bawdy house restriction and you can't publicly solicit on a busy street or public area.

England and Scotland has gone further than Canada since "incalls" or brothels are allowed but with only one girl per flat. There are many trying to increase this limit so providers can work more safely. Of course outcall adult sexwork has always been legal but not street hookers.

Even in IRAN
The 1925 Penal Code stated that prostitution was not a crime in itself, but that it was a crime to advocate it, to aid or abet a woman to enter prostitution or to operate a brothel. The current regime believes that execution - by firing squad or stoning - is a more fitting penalty. Execution is common. Some Iranian feminists regard mutïa, a form of temporary marriage where the woman has few rights, as akin to prostitution . Under mutïa, it is possible to be `married for as little as half an hour. Men who visit prostitutes simply marry them for a few hours and its totally legal in Iran.

In the U.S., based our puritanical forcing a certain religious view is out of step with the rest of the world and our culture sufferers because of it.

U.S. may have to decriminalize prostitution per U.N. Treaty which is why it is unlikely to be signed.

If the U.S. Senate passes the UN Convention the was adopted by the U.N. General Assembly and has been signed by 165 countries this could force the U.S. to acknowledge voluntary prostitution is a legal women’s choice as well as a women’s right to choose of abortion. If passed the U.S. would have to accept these human rights as the treaty provides.

The following summary is from a religious right group, Concerned Women of America (CWA) who of course oppose any such rights of women and want to keep them from having control over their own bodies:

The United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women
Revised: September 5, 2000
SOURCE: http://cwfa.org/library/nation/2000-09_pp_cedaw.shtml
The U.N. General Assembly adopted CEDAW on December 18, 1979. President Jimmy Carter signed it in 1980. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee passed it on September 29, 1994, but the full Senate has not ratified it. So far, 165 countries have signed the treaty, legally binding them to implement its provisions.

CWA (Strong opponents “Concerned Women of America") is convinced that, if the Senate ever ratifies CEDAW, the federal government would allow it to supersede all federal and state laws, as evidenced by past federal court rulings.4

Part V (Articles 17-22) of CEDAW outlines the creation of a Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women to oversee the implementation of CEDAW in every signatory nation. CEDAW legally binds every signatory country to implement its provisions. After signing, each country must submit an initial report with a detailed and comprehensive description of the state of its women, "a benchmark against which subsequent progress can be measured." This initial report should include legislative, judicial, administrative and other measures the signatory nation has adopted to comply with CEDAW. The country must submit follow-up reports at least every four years.

Treaty Provisions Includes

Legalized Prostitution
Article 11, section 1(c) of the treaty upholds "the right to free choice of profession and employment." The Committee has included "voluntary" prostitution in that "free choice"

Abortion
Articles 12 and 14 (section 2b) seek "to ensure, on a basis of equality of men and women, access to health care services, including those related to family planning." This document was written in the late 1970s, and time has shown that "family planning" rhetoric means access to abortion services.

The Religious Rights Fight Against CEDAW
Although President Carter signed CEDAW in 1980, and it passed out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1994, the Senate has not yet ratified this treaty. Much thanks is due to Sen. Jesse Helms (R-North Carolina), chairman of the foreign relations committee. On May 11, 2000, just before Mothers Day, Sen. Helms introduced a "sense of the Senate" to reject CEDAW because it "demeans motherhood and undermines the traditional family."

Advocates have not ceased in their quest to ratify the treaty, however. On April 12, 2000, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-California) introduced a "sense of the Senate" to hold hearings and act on CEDAW. S.Res.286 had 34 cosponsors.

The U.S. Constitution allows the president to enter into treaties with two-thirds Senate approval. It also requires the Senate to have a quorum, a majority (51), present to conduct business. Thus, with 51 senators present, CEDAW would need a minimum of 34 approving senators to ratify it.

President Clinton issued Executive Order 13107, "Implementation of Human Rights Treaties," on December 10, 1998. He then established an Interagency Working Group, with representatives from major federal departments, to implement Americas alleged "obligations" under U.N. treaties on human rights "to which the United States is now or may become a party in the future."

- http://www.sexwork.com/coalition/whatcountrieslegal.html
 
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Bar Girls of Kathmandu

When Mumbai, India's film and business capital, shut down all its 'dance bars', there was much debate on the merits and demerits of the decision. In Nepal, another Asian location infamous for its dance bars, women's rights activists are fighting for the rights of the dancers.

"Eventually, we would like that (the shutting down of these bars) to happen here (in Kathmandu) too, but first we need a massive degree of awareness, networking and coordination," says Arpana Shrestha, a Project Officer with Maiti Nepal, a prominent NGO. Maiti works to spread awareness among 'bar girls' - women employed in the small and medium-sized bars and restaurants in Nepal, many of which have the unsavory reputation of having sex on the menu as well.

Broadly speaking, there are three kinds of small and medium restaurants in Kathmandu: the actual restaurants, cabin restaurants and dance bars.

The cabin restaurants are the most dangerous for women employees, says Shrestha. When a customer walks into a dimly-lit hall partitioned into tiny cubicles and calls for a waitress, the worst form of sexual exploitation is on the cards. The cabin restaurants are often raided by police, who take away customers and waitresses in various degrees of undress.

"It is the cabin restaurants that teenagers wanting their first sexual experiences turn to," says Shrestha. "It is also the place where inexperienced teens and minor girls go looking for jobs."

Besides poverty and unemployment, since 1996, Nepal has been racked by an armed conflict between Maoist insurgents and the government. Over 12,000 people have died, and tens of thousands have been displaced, heading towards Kathmandu. "The girls coming from the rural districts are not educated and have no job skills," says Shrestha. "The cabin restaurant is the only place that will employ them. And so they go there."

After an inexperienced girl has done a stint in a cabin restaurant and become wise to the ways of the world, she moves on to the dance bars. From a waitress, she graduates to a dancer, who, in between dance numbers, has to come and sit at the client's table for a consideration. There could be proposals for more. While some bars let her do what she wants, some pressure her to oblige.

Sonam Rai came to Kathmandu nearly 10 years ago from the Terai plains in the south. Nineteen at that time, she was an orphan living with her uncle. "He made my life miserable," she says with an angry toss of her head. "I worked in his field all day long and at night, I had to sleep in the cowshed." A friend of hers got her a couple of jobs as a domestic help. But Rai quit because of sexual harassment by her employers and began working as a waitress in a dance bar. But here, she was at the beck and call of the dancers who insulted her. "So I decided to become a dancer. It's true I have to wear skimpy clothes, but at least I am not bossed around anymore."

Dipa Tamang, 26, is a dancer with the Galaxy Dance and Shower Bar in the busy Sundhara area of Kathmandu, a downmarket commercial road near the bus stations. Although an accomplished dancer, Tamang will not find work with a dance troupe because her face was badly scarred in an accident. With a four-year-old child to care for, deserted by her husband, and educated only up to Class 7, the dim light of the dance bar and the garish makeup she uses to hide her scars are her only haven.

According to Yogendra Chaulagain, secretary of Nepal Restaurant Entrepreneurs' Association (NREA), there are around 30,000 women working in the capital's restaurants. Most of them are from the rural areas and have no education or skills. Domestic violence, desertion by husband, feckless boyfriends who leave them pregnant, the insurgency and grinding poverty force them into economic and sexual exploitation.

Chaulagain says NREA did a rough survey about three months ago and estimates that more than 75 per cent of the women working in cabin restaurants in the valley are between 18-25. Shrestha, however, has entirely different figures. She estimates that over 50 per cent of these women are actually minors - some as young as 10. What makes the situation so nightmarish - and the figures impossible to corroborate - is that there is no certified data. Many of the fly-by-night restaurants are not even registered.

"In fact, according to the law, cabin and dance restaurants are not allowed. But with small restaurants mushrooming, the competition is so cut-throat that the owners have to devise something extra to keep the clients coming. So they think of dance bars and shower bars. They even advertise that on signboards. But the government has not taken any serious note of this," says Shrestha.

A shower bar includes a round bathtub-like structure, where dancers flit in and out while the showers spray water on scantily clad bodies. "We do have hot water in winter," says Tamang. "But at times we catch a cold. We have to learn to step in and step out immediately."

The employment conditions vary from bar to bar. The salaries range from NRs2,000 to 6,000 per month (1US$-70.9 Nepali Rupees), but the real money is in the tips a girl can get. There is no weekly off or annual leave. "We stay open only from 6 pm to 10 pm," says the management of X Bar, one of the upmarket dance bars in the city, thronged by young men on bikes. "It's a part-time job, and so, there is no weekly off. But if a dancer falls ill, we pay for the treatment."

A June 2005 survey on the migration of women in Nepal carried out by Save the Children, USA found a high level of insecurity among the dancers. The report - titled 'The Movement of Women' - says, "A Gurung woman from Ramechhap (a district east of Kathmandu)...worried that as she was getting older, she might get fired, since the bar preferred young dancers...Work at a dance bar is never permanent employment and a number of women said contracts and job appointment letters would help them, presumably through legitimacy."

Shyam Sundar Shrestha, joint secretary at the Ministry of Women, Children and Social Welfare, admits dance and cabin restaurants are a serious concern. "The government is taking it seriously," he says. "We have formed a task force comprising members from the Chief District Officer's office and NGOs to do a survey and come up with recommendations. Unfortunately, we don't have the means right now to rehabilitate the dance bar girls but we are working with NGOs like Maiti, which have rehabilitation centres."

In 2003, a 15-member team coordinated by Maiti Nepal came up with several recommendations. All small and medium restaurants must register with the government, cabins must be abolished and girls shouldn't be forced to drink with the customers.

Although the government has not been able to implement any of these recommendations, Arpana Shrestha is still hopeful. "We are working on a code of conduct for such restaurant owners. Once it is ready, we will go to the government again," she says. "At present, we are visiting the restaurants, identifying a leader among the girls and giving her an orientation about trafficking. So far, we have covered 450 dance cabins."

Shutting down the restaurants is not the answer, she says. "We have to provide these bainis (sisters) with life skills so that they have an option. Otherwise, we will probably push them into a worse fate."

– Sudeshna Sarkar
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And sex exploitation goes on...



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KATHMANDU, April 28 - The government has failed to regulate dance and cabin restaurants despite reports about serious cases of sexual and physical exploitation of girls and women, including minors, working in such places in the Kathmandu Valley, a report said.
A survey conducted by Rahat, an organization working for girls and women, especially those displaced by the conflict, revealed that although hired to work as waitress, these girls and women are also forced into the flesh trade. "The government, however, has shown no concern about it," Madhavi Singh, president of Rahat said.

She said that girls and women are compelled to follow their employers' orders. "In case they refuse to comply, they are sacked," she said, adding, "most of them are displaced by the conflict and are, therefore, compelled to do what their employers want. They lack education and skill also."

Sharing the findings of the survey: "Situation overview on entertainment sectors" in the capital Thursday, she said that most of the mushrooming dance and cabin restaurants are not registered. "Those restaurants registered are also not operating as per the norms outlined in the Labor Act," she said.

She stressed that an effective strategy should be developed soon to eliminate such practices in these restaurants.

Although the government had formed a 13-member dance and cabin restaurant monitoring committee headed by chief of domestic and small industries, Dhurba Raj Joshi in August 2003, it has not functioned effectively as yet.

Baman Prasad Neupane, Chief District Officer, Kathmandu had also expressed commitment to introduce a code of conduct with a view to monitor cabin, ghazal, dohari and dance restaurants in the country.

The report shows the situation has not improved.

Ironically, the ministry working for women and children also has not formulated any policies and programs to tackle the issue of dance and cabin restaurants. "We don't have any specific programs and policies to deal with the exploitation of girls and women working in such restaurants in the country," said Shyam Sundar Sharma, joint secretary at the Ministry for Women, Children and Social Welfare.

Senior Superintendent of Police, Devi Lal Tamang, also expresses ignorance about any specific policies to address the problem.

"The victims should first report to us. Only then can we take action," he said.

However, several reports conducted till date state that girls and women cannot approach the concerned authorities with such complaints.

"Victims don't report to the police for fear of losing their jobs," the report said.

Dr Chandra Bhadra, women rights activist said, "Only the legalization of flesh trade can put an end to such forced sexual exploitation of girls and women."

- http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=38532
 
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sayami

"What is temporary wife ? "

Seems interesting to me.
 
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Temporary Wife..

(a) Ja.. what is temporary wife!!

It is the same like when a girl with US citizenship agrees to get married with a foreigner for immrigation purposes even he has wife with 3 children waiting in his home country. Valency bond between these two people can be sometime monetary.

(b) Other form is like Geisha from Kabuki in Japan..
She is a mistress,a substitute wife with taxi meter.... away from house.
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I say it should be legailsed in every country.
 


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